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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent."
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He has done that before, so what hot water? | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something."
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Only if he is held accountable. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?"
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Why isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable."
] |
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The words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money."
] |
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This guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY"
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Its called Perjury, its a felony. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?"
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Trump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony."
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"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times..." | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has."
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Oh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\""
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT."
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“That Makes Me Smart.”
I’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time."
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"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail." | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\""
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Trump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?"
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They will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol"
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Until Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him"
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No slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag…. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist."
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I’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else* | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag…."
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If Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*"
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So satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation"
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Yeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due."
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Does it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.
Our justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him."
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“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.”
He didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich."
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Someone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States"
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This guy is using all the hot water. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water."
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If any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?"
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Yawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime"
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What a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped! | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals"
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And nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!"
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Ah another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening."
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His lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization.
It's Bizarro World. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences."
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I can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone."
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HOT WATER
Oh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.
Surely he'll learn his lesson now! -_- | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor."
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Don’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?
Nothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.
Move along. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-"
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Does it matter?
The guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.
Can we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable?
Seeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along."
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I understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat"
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I’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.
I’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity."
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Oh no! Legal hot water!
The guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!"
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Been seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it? | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?"
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Ooooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life"
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I am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water..."
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Wake me up if/when he actually goes to prison | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison"
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If that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star.
I wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law."
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No, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲 | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions."
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Trump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different? | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !"
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And American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.' | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?"
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I'll hold my breath for the consequences | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not."
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Trump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono."
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If ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell.
Time to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens..."
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Hasn’t fucking mattered so far!! | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk"
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“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.” | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!"
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Trump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once…."
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Ooo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you.",
">\n\nOoo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick."
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Yeah whatever. It’s pretty clear he will never be held accountable for anything he does. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you.",
">\n\nOoo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick.",
">\n\nNot legal hot water!"
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He’s not even a good liar. He can’t keep track of his lies | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you.",
">\n\nOoo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick.",
">\n\nNot legal hot water!",
">\n\nYeah whatever. It’s pretty clear he will never be held accountable for anything he does."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you.",
">\n\nOoo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick.",
">\n\nNot legal hot water!",
">\n\nYeah whatever. It’s pretty clear he will never be held accountable for anything he does.",
">\n\nHe’s not even a good liar. He can’t keep track of his lies"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you.",
">\n\nOoo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick.",
">\n\nNot legal hot water!",
">\n\nYeah whatever. It’s pretty clear he will never be held accountable for anything he does.",
">\n\nHe’s not even a good liar. He can’t keep track of his lies",
">\n\nTrump lied? Shocker"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you.",
">\n\nOoo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick.",
">\n\nNot legal hot water!",
">\n\nYeah whatever. It’s pretty clear he will never be held accountable for anything he does.",
">\n\nHe’s not even a good liar. He can’t keep track of his lies",
">\n\nTrump lied? Shocker",
">\n\nWho honestly believes he will ever see justice?"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you.",
">\n\nOoo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick.",
">\n\nNot legal hot water!",
">\n\nYeah whatever. It’s pretty clear he will never be held accountable for anything he does.",
">\n\nHe’s not even a good liar. He can’t keep track of his lies",
">\n\nTrump lied? Shocker",
">\n\nWho honestly believes he will ever see justice?",
">\n\nGreat, let me know when he does time. Beyond that, I don't care to hear anything about him."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you.",
">\n\nOoo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick.",
">\n\nNot legal hot water!",
">\n\nYeah whatever. It’s pretty clear he will never be held accountable for anything he does.",
">\n\nHe’s not even a good liar. He can’t keep track of his lies",
">\n\nTrump lied? Shocker",
">\n\nWho honestly believes he will ever see justice?",
">\n\nGreat, let me know when he does time. Beyond that, I don't care to hear anything about him.",
">\n\n…aaaand then nothing happened."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you.",
">\n\nOoo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick.",
">\n\nNot legal hot water!",
">\n\nYeah whatever. It’s pretty clear he will never be held accountable for anything he does.",
">\n\nHe’s not even a good liar. He can’t keep track of his lies",
">\n\nTrump lied? Shocker",
">\n\nWho honestly believes he will ever see justice?",
">\n\nGreat, let me know when he does time. Beyond that, I don't care to hear anything about him.",
">\n\n…aaaand then nothing happened.",
">\n\nFixed it!\nTrump in Even More Legal Hot Water After Breathing."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you.",
">\n\nOoo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick.",
">\n\nNot legal hot water!",
">\n\nYeah whatever. It’s pretty clear he will never be held accountable for anything he does.",
">\n\nHe’s not even a good liar. He can’t keep track of his lies",
">\n\nTrump lied? Shocker",
">\n\nWho honestly believes he will ever see justice?",
">\n\nGreat, let me know when he does time. Beyond that, I don't care to hear anything about him.",
">\n\n…aaaand then nothing happened.",
">\n\nFixed it!\nTrump in Even More Legal Hot Water After Breathing.",
">\n\nHe said he wasn’t taking the 5th."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you.",
">\n\nOoo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick.",
">\n\nNot legal hot water!",
">\n\nYeah whatever. It’s pretty clear he will never be held accountable for anything he does.",
">\n\nHe’s not even a good liar. He can’t keep track of his lies",
">\n\nTrump lied? Shocker",
">\n\nWho honestly believes he will ever see justice?",
">\n\nGreat, let me know when he does time. Beyond that, I don't care to hear anything about him.",
">\n\n…aaaand then nothing happened.",
">\n\nFixed it!\nTrump in Even More Legal Hot Water After Breathing.",
">\n\nHe said he wasn’t taking the 5th.",
">\n\nMore than zero? Wow. Amazing!"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you.",
">\n\nOoo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick.",
">\n\nNot legal hot water!",
">\n\nYeah whatever. It’s pretty clear he will never be held accountable for anything he does.",
">\n\nHe’s not even a good liar. He can’t keep track of his lies",
">\n\nTrump lied? Shocker",
">\n\nWho honestly believes he will ever see justice?",
">\n\nGreat, let me know when he does time. Beyond that, I don't care to hear anything about him.",
">\n\n…aaaand then nothing happened.",
">\n\nFixed it!\nTrump in Even More Legal Hot Water After Breathing.",
">\n\nHe said he wasn’t taking the 5th.",
">\n\nMore than zero? Wow. Amazing!",
">\n\nLock. Him. Up."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you.",
">\n\nOoo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick.",
">\n\nNot legal hot water!",
">\n\nYeah whatever. It’s pretty clear he will never be held accountable for anything he does.",
">\n\nHe’s not even a good liar. He can’t keep track of his lies",
">\n\nTrump lied? Shocker",
">\n\nWho honestly believes he will ever see justice?",
">\n\nGreat, let me know when he does time. Beyond that, I don't care to hear anything about him.",
">\n\n…aaaand then nothing happened.",
">\n\nFixed it!\nTrump in Even More Legal Hot Water After Breathing.",
">\n\nHe said he wasn’t taking the 5th.",
">\n\nMore than zero? Wow. Amazing!",
">\n\nLock. Him. Up.",
">\n\nHot water? Oh no! What will he do?! /s"
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So, Trump Organization doesn't exist? That's an interesting legal defense. We'll see how that works out for him | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you.",
">\n\nOoo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick.",
">\n\nNot legal hot water!",
">\n\nYeah whatever. It’s pretty clear he will never be held accountable for anything he does.",
">\n\nHe’s not even a good liar. He can’t keep track of his lies",
">\n\nTrump lied? Shocker",
">\n\nWho honestly believes he will ever see justice?",
">\n\nGreat, let me know when he does time. Beyond that, I don't care to hear anything about him.",
">\n\n…aaaand then nothing happened.",
">\n\nFixed it!\nTrump in Even More Legal Hot Water After Breathing.",
">\n\nHe said he wasn’t taking the 5th.",
">\n\nMore than zero? Wow. Amazing!",
">\n\nLock. Him. Up.",
">\n\nHot water? Oh no! What will he do?! /s",
">\n\nOh big whoop. Nothing is happening to him."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you.",
">\n\nOoo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick.",
">\n\nNot legal hot water!",
">\n\nYeah whatever. It’s pretty clear he will never be held accountable for anything he does.",
">\n\nHe’s not even a good liar. He can’t keep track of his lies",
">\n\nTrump lied? Shocker",
">\n\nWho honestly believes he will ever see justice?",
">\n\nGreat, let me know when he does time. Beyond that, I don't care to hear anything about him.",
">\n\n…aaaand then nothing happened.",
">\n\nFixed it!\nTrump in Even More Legal Hot Water After Breathing.",
">\n\nHe said he wasn’t taking the 5th.",
">\n\nMore than zero? Wow. Amazing!",
">\n\nLock. Him. Up.",
">\n\nHot water? Oh no! What will he do?! /s",
">\n\nOh big whoop. Nothing is happening to him.",
">\n\nSo, Trump Organization doesn't exist? That's an interesting legal defense. We'll see how that works out for him"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you.",
">\n\nOoo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick.",
">\n\nNot legal hot water!",
">\n\nYeah whatever. It’s pretty clear he will never be held accountable for anything he does.",
">\n\nHe’s not even a good liar. He can’t keep track of his lies",
">\n\nTrump lied? Shocker",
">\n\nWho honestly believes he will ever see justice?",
">\n\nGreat, let me know when he does time. Beyond that, I don't care to hear anything about him.",
">\n\n…aaaand then nothing happened.",
">\n\nFixed it!\nTrump in Even More Legal Hot Water After Breathing.",
">\n\nHe said he wasn’t taking the 5th.",
">\n\nMore than zero? Wow. Amazing!",
">\n\nLock. Him. Up.",
">\n\nHot water? Oh no! What will he do?! /s",
">\n\nOh big whoop. Nothing is happening to him.",
">\n\nSo, Trump Organization doesn't exist? That's an interesting legal defense. We'll see how that works out for him",
">\n\nI feel like he could drink puppy blood, live on national TV and nothing would happen."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you.",
">\n\nOoo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick.",
">\n\nNot legal hot water!",
">\n\nYeah whatever. It’s pretty clear he will never be held accountable for anything he does.",
">\n\nHe’s not even a good liar. He can’t keep track of his lies",
">\n\nTrump lied? Shocker",
">\n\nWho honestly believes he will ever see justice?",
">\n\nGreat, let me know when he does time. Beyond that, I don't care to hear anything about him.",
">\n\n…aaaand then nothing happened.",
">\n\nFixed it!\nTrump in Even More Legal Hot Water After Breathing.",
">\n\nHe said he wasn’t taking the 5th.",
">\n\nMore than zero? Wow. Amazing!",
">\n\nLock. Him. Up.",
">\n\nHot water? Oh no! What will he do?! /s",
">\n\nOh big whoop. Nothing is happening to him.",
">\n\nSo, Trump Organization doesn't exist? That's an interesting legal defense. We'll see how that works out for him",
">\n\nI feel like he could drink puppy blood, live on national TV and nothing would happen.",
">\n\nyawn, has he ever been out of hot water?"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you.",
">\n\nOoo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick.",
">\n\nNot legal hot water!",
">\n\nYeah whatever. It’s pretty clear he will never be held accountable for anything he does.",
">\n\nHe’s not even a good liar. He can’t keep track of his lies",
">\n\nTrump lied? Shocker",
">\n\nWho honestly believes he will ever see justice?",
">\n\nGreat, let me know when he does time. Beyond that, I don't care to hear anything about him.",
">\n\n…aaaand then nothing happened.",
">\n\nFixed it!\nTrump in Even More Legal Hot Water After Breathing.",
">\n\nHe said he wasn’t taking the 5th.",
">\n\nMore than zero? Wow. Amazing!",
">\n\nLock. Him. Up.",
">\n\nHot water? Oh no! What will he do?! /s",
">\n\nOh big whoop. Nothing is happening to him.",
">\n\nSo, Trump Organization doesn't exist? That's an interesting legal defense. We'll see how that works out for him",
">\n\nI feel like he could drink puppy blood, live on national TV and nothing would happen.",
">\n\nyawn, has he ever been out of hot water?",
">\n\nObligatory."
] |
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person.",
">\n\nAt least some crimes do not require intent.",
">\n\nWake me up when he’s actually charged with something.",
">\n\nHe has done that before, so what hot water?",
">\n\nOnly if he is held accountable.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money.",
">\n\nThe words ‘trump found guilty’ wouldn’t even matter to me at this point. He’d get no sentence anyways. The US does not have a justice system. It has a legal system that does not mess with the wealthy.",
">\n\nThis guy is a pathological liar. Santos is a trainee compared to him. Lying is in his DNA. It dont matter if he lies to a sanitation officer, a judge or the American public. It don't mean squat.",
">\n\nPut. \nHim.\nAway.\nALREADY",
">\n\nWhat happens if i do that?",
">\n\nIts called Perjury, its a felony.",
">\n\nTrump is a moron. He lies like a petulant child! He can't keep track of his lies. He tells them every time he opens his orange mouth. He lies are reactionary and has no strategy to his lies. Anyone who thinks he's playing 3D chess, doesn't realize he can't even play tic tac toe! Government shouldn't be run like a business! Much less should the leader treat it as such after failing so many businesses like he has.",
">\n\n\"I swear to god if you guys commit felonies 13 or 14 more times...\"",
">\n\nOh wow that only took a few minutes. Well if you guys commit 22 more by the end of the day.. COME ON. STOP IT.",
">\n\nI'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time.",
">\n\n“That Makes Me Smart.” \nI’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder.",
">\n\n\"Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail.\"",
">\n\nWhen oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain?",
">\n\nTrump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right? Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol",
">\n\nThey will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied",
">\n\nUntil Trump is put in jail all of this constant talk about legal hot water is just BS.",
">\n\nFry him",
">\n\nOh boy. He’s really going to hate that slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nNo slap, maybe a vigorous finger wag….",
">\n\nI’m glad we’re getting closer to consequences but it’s super frustrating that this man did so, so very many treasonous things and it’s lying to a judge that lands him in trouble, not *gestures wildly at everything else*",
">\n\nIf Trump does as much as 37 more blatantly illegal things, the DOJ is going to put him on double secret probation",
">\n\nSo satisfying seeing him FINALLY getting a minuscule portion of what the whole Trump family is due.",
">\n\nYeah let me know when that hot water actually means something other than a nice hot tub for him.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? We hear this crap nearly every day.\nOur justice system is toothless when it comes to the rich.",
">\n\n“Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” \nHe didn’t say whether he meant the inactive president of the business or the inactive president of the United States",
">\n\nSomeone wake me when he’s either behind bars, or he’s been legally barred from running for any public office ever again",
">\n\nThis guy is using all the hot water.",
">\n\nIs he actually in hot water, or is a bit of bad press going to be his only consequence as usual?",
">\n\nIf any us did that, we’d be in jail, btw.",
">\n\nYawn. Someone wake when he faces ANY real consequences from his life of crime",
">\n\nWhat hot water? The one from his hot tub?! Nothing ever happens to these criminals",
">\n\nWhat a loser defense to try. Well you see judge there is no such thing as the “Trump Organization” so lawsuit is invalid and I’m innocent 10000000% now and forever into infinity with NO take backs. You’ve just been Trumped!",
">\n\nAnd nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does. It's sickening.",
">\n\nAh another story of trump doing illegal shit and facing zero consequences.",
">\n\nHis lawyer said that she was the attorney for Trump's organization. So if there's no organization, she was lying. Or Trump's lying all the many times he spoke about his organization. \nIt's Bizarro World.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until we stop pretending that this guy is going to see any consequences. I’m tired of seeing his face on my phone.",
">\n\nBut Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor.",
">\n\n\nHOT WATER\n\nOh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.\nSurely he'll learn his lesson now! -_-",
">\n\nDon’t people ever get tired of rolling out these ridiculously hyperbolic article and headlines?\nNothing is ever going to happen to the guy. Nothing.\nMove along.",
">\n\nDoes it matter? \nThe guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.\nCan we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? \nSeeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat",
">\n\nI understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time.",
">\n\nI’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.\nI’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity.",
">\n\nCurse you 3M and your Teflon inventions!",
">\n\nOh no! Legal hot water! \nThe guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions.",
">\n\nBeen seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it?",
">\n\nUntil there are some actual consequences, no he's not.",
">\n\nOoooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life",
">\n\nor perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water...",
">\n\nNo more clicks until consequences.\nI am not clicking one more Trump justice edging walls are closing in hes in trouble clickbait story for ad money. Waste of time.",
">\n\nWake me up if/when he actually goes to prison",
">\n\nLet me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law.",
">\n\nIf that idiot was really in actual 'Hot Water', then the water would be so hot at this point, that it would have fused into a second star. \nI wish they would ban any posts speculating on any sort of consequences for this fuck, until something actually happens.",
">\n\nNo, it’ll be different this time! Theres proof he did something illegal [again]! 😆🥲",
">\n\nNo he's not, and nothing will come of this.",
">\n\nI eagerly await absolutely no repercussions.",
">\n\nFocus people , the dumb one is president now ! \nTrump is gone !",
">\n\nTrump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different?",
">\n\nAnd American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.'",
">\n\nHow many laws will that guy break before something is actually done?",
">\n\nThe pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.\nWhen the fuck am i getting the meal?",
">\n\nNo he's not.",
">\n\nI'll hold my breath for the consequences",
">\n\nTrump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono.",
">\n\nYeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not",
">\n\nIf ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell. \nTime to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits. And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings.",
">\n\nI feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens...",
">\n\nSo...when are the consequences going to make an appearance?",
">\n\nHasn’t fucking mattered so far!!",
">\n\nI will believe it when I see it.",
">\n\n1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them!",
">\n\nOh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk",
">\n\nPerhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation!",
">\n\n“Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.”",
">\n\nTrump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens. At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all? He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences. He’s literally above the law.",
">\n\nThe water is as hot as the sun at this point.",
">\n\nGosh, it would be real nice to see him treated like an average citizen of a nation that upheld laws, for once….",
">\n\nUntil the guy faces the actual consequences for his crimes, these are just words. I think we’re all tired of just words. Actions please, and thank you.",
">\n\nOoo. He's so fucked. This time it's different. Any day now folks. Hammers coming down. This is the big one. They've got him. Yep, this time it'll stick.",
">\n\nNot legal hot water!",
">\n\nYeah whatever. It’s pretty clear he will never be held accountable for anything he does.",
">\n\nHe’s not even a good liar. He can’t keep track of his lies",
">\n\nTrump lied? Shocker",
">\n\nWho honestly believes he will ever see justice?",
">\n\nGreat, let me know when he does time. Beyond that, I don't care to hear anything about him.",
">\n\n…aaaand then nothing happened.",
">\n\nFixed it!\nTrump in Even More Legal Hot Water After Breathing.",
">\n\nHe said he wasn’t taking the 5th.",
">\n\nMore than zero? Wow. Amazing!",
">\n\nLock. Him. Up.",
">\n\nHot water? Oh no! What will he do?! /s",
">\n\nOh big whoop. Nothing is happening to him.",
">\n\nSo, Trump Organization doesn't exist? That's an interesting legal defense. We'll see how that works out for him",
">\n\nI feel like he could drink puppy blood, live on national TV and nothing would happen.",
">\n\nyawn, has he ever been out of hot water?",
">\n\nObligatory.",
">\n\nIs it more like a Legal Hot tub for him at this point, or is it ever going to actually get any hotter?"
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