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But why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP. | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one."
] |
>
FBI did find the full "Goosebumps" collection however with a signed copy of "Welcome to Dead House" | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP."
] |
>
Wait?? They searched his house and he didn't start having a tantrum and start waving tiny hands everywhere? | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP.",
">\n\nFBI did find the full \"Goosebumps\" collection however with a signed copy of \"Welcome to Dead House\""
] |
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obviously that means he already sold them /s | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP.",
">\n\nFBI did find the full \"Goosebumps\" collection however with a signed copy of \"Welcome to Dead House\"",
">\n\nWait?? They searched his house and he didn't start having a tantrum and start waving tiny hands everywhere?"
] |
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Now search the rest of Trump's residences and dig up that lady he buried in one of his gold courses. | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP.",
">\n\nFBI did find the full \"Goosebumps\" collection however with a signed copy of \"Welcome to Dead House\"",
">\n\nWait?? They searched his house and he didn't start having a tantrum and start waving tiny hands everywhere?",
">\n\nobviously that means he already sold them /s"
] |
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Seriously how many houses do rich people need? | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP.",
">\n\nFBI did find the full \"Goosebumps\" collection however with a signed copy of \"Welcome to Dead House\"",
">\n\nWait?? They searched his house and he didn't start having a tantrum and start waving tiny hands everywhere?",
">\n\nobviously that means he already sold them /s",
">\n\nNow search the rest of Trump's residences and dig up that lady he buried in one of his gold courses."
] |
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I was reading about this on a local news site (not American). When I did the standard "reddit Biden FBI raid" search on Google, I couldn't find this post until I literally started quoting the linked article. What's going on? | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP.",
">\n\nFBI did find the full \"Goosebumps\" collection however with a signed copy of \"Welcome to Dead House\"",
">\n\nWait?? They searched his house and he didn't start having a tantrum and start waving tiny hands everywhere?",
">\n\nobviously that means he already sold them /s",
">\n\nNow search the rest of Trump's residences and dig up that lady he buried in one of his gold courses.",
">\n\nSeriously how many houses do rich people need?"
] |
>
It's not a raid when no warrant is required for entrance. | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP.",
">\n\nFBI did find the full \"Goosebumps\" collection however with a signed copy of \"Welcome to Dead House\"",
">\n\nWait?? They searched his house and he didn't start having a tantrum and start waving tiny hands everywhere?",
">\n\nobviously that means he already sold them /s",
">\n\nNow search the rest of Trump's residences and dig up that lady he buried in one of his gold courses.",
">\n\nSeriously how many houses do rich people need?",
">\n\nI was reading about this on a local news site (not American). When I did the standard \"reddit Biden FBI raid\" search on Google, I couldn't find this post until I literally started quoting the linked article. What's going on?"
] |
>
It's interesting that they are searching every place that Biden ever set foot in, but refuse to search any of Trump's other properties where he almost certainly still has stolen documents.
I know that Biden is giving them permission, but DOJ is still giving Trump a pass. | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP.",
">\n\nFBI did find the full \"Goosebumps\" collection however with a signed copy of \"Welcome to Dead House\"",
">\n\nWait?? They searched his house and he didn't start having a tantrum and start waving tiny hands everywhere?",
">\n\nobviously that means he already sold them /s",
">\n\nNow search the rest of Trump's residences and dig up that lady he buried in one of his gold courses.",
">\n\nSeriously how many houses do rich people need?",
">\n\nI was reading about this on a local news site (not American). When I did the standard \"reddit Biden FBI raid\" search on Google, I couldn't find this post until I literally started quoting the linked article. What's going on?",
">\n\nIt's not a raid when no warrant is required for entrance."
] |
>
So is this it? Have all Biden properties been searched? BTW, imagine having so many houses that you can't keep track of them all and what might be in them? | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP.",
">\n\nFBI did find the full \"Goosebumps\" collection however with a signed copy of \"Welcome to Dead House\"",
">\n\nWait?? They searched his house and he didn't start having a tantrum and start waving tiny hands everywhere?",
">\n\nobviously that means he already sold them /s",
">\n\nNow search the rest of Trump's residences and dig up that lady he buried in one of his gold courses.",
">\n\nSeriously how many houses do rich people need?",
">\n\nI was reading about this on a local news site (not American). When I did the standard \"reddit Biden FBI raid\" search on Google, I couldn't find this post until I literally started quoting the linked article. What's going on?",
">\n\nIt's not a raid when no warrant is required for entrance.",
">\n\nIt's interesting that they are searching every place that Biden ever set foot in, but refuse to search any of Trump's other properties where he almost certainly still has stolen documents. \nI know that Biden is giving them permission, but DOJ is still giving Trump a pass."
] |
>
I don’t need to know when they don’t find anything. | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP.",
">\n\nFBI did find the full \"Goosebumps\" collection however with a signed copy of \"Welcome to Dead House\"",
">\n\nWait?? They searched his house and he didn't start having a tantrum and start waving tiny hands everywhere?",
">\n\nobviously that means he already sold them /s",
">\n\nNow search the rest of Trump's residences and dig up that lady he buried in one of his gold courses.",
">\n\nSeriously how many houses do rich people need?",
">\n\nI was reading about this on a local news site (not American). When I did the standard \"reddit Biden FBI raid\" search on Google, I couldn't find this post until I literally started quoting the linked article. What's going on?",
">\n\nIt's not a raid when no warrant is required for entrance.",
">\n\nIt's interesting that they are searching every place that Biden ever set foot in, but refuse to search any of Trump's other properties where he almost certainly still has stolen documents. \nI know that Biden is giving them permission, but DOJ is still giving Trump a pass.",
">\n\nSo is this it? Have all Biden properties been searched? BTW, imagine having so many houses that you can't keep track of them all and what might be in them?"
] |
>
FINALLY! We found a place that Biden/Trump didn’t have classified documents. Yay! | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP.",
">\n\nFBI did find the full \"Goosebumps\" collection however with a signed copy of \"Welcome to Dead House\"",
">\n\nWait?? They searched his house and he didn't start having a tantrum and start waving tiny hands everywhere?",
">\n\nobviously that means he already sold them /s",
">\n\nNow search the rest of Trump's residences and dig up that lady he buried in one of his gold courses.",
">\n\nSeriously how many houses do rich people need?",
">\n\nI was reading about this on a local news site (not American). When I did the standard \"reddit Biden FBI raid\" search on Google, I couldn't find this post until I literally started quoting the linked article. What's going on?",
">\n\nIt's not a raid when no warrant is required for entrance.",
">\n\nIt's interesting that they are searching every place that Biden ever set foot in, but refuse to search any of Trump's other properties where he almost certainly still has stolen documents. \nI know that Biden is giving them permission, but DOJ is still giving Trump a pass.",
">\n\nSo is this it? Have all Biden properties been searched? BTW, imagine having so many houses that you can't keep track of them all and what might be in them?",
">\n\nI don’t need to know when they don’t find anything."
] |
>
Cool. How many properties to go?
I see I am misunderstood. I just want to get it over with. | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP.",
">\n\nFBI did find the full \"Goosebumps\" collection however with a signed copy of \"Welcome to Dead House\"",
">\n\nWait?? They searched his house and he didn't start having a tantrum and start waving tiny hands everywhere?",
">\n\nobviously that means he already sold them /s",
">\n\nNow search the rest of Trump's residences and dig up that lady he buried in one of his gold courses.",
">\n\nSeriously how many houses do rich people need?",
">\n\nI was reading about this on a local news site (not American). When I did the standard \"reddit Biden FBI raid\" search on Google, I couldn't find this post until I literally started quoting the linked article. What's going on?",
">\n\nIt's not a raid when no warrant is required for entrance.",
">\n\nIt's interesting that they are searching every place that Biden ever set foot in, but refuse to search any of Trump's other properties where he almost certainly still has stolen documents. \nI know that Biden is giving them permission, but DOJ is still giving Trump a pass.",
">\n\nSo is this it? Have all Biden properties been searched? BTW, imagine having so many houses that you can't keep track of them all and what might be in them?",
">\n\nI don’t need to know when they don’t find anything.",
">\n\nFINALLY! We found a place that Biden/Trump didn’t have classified documents. Yay!"
] |
>
Well if you bought it decades ago, regular people bought them also. | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP.",
">\n\nFBI did find the full \"Goosebumps\" collection however with a signed copy of \"Welcome to Dead House\"",
">\n\nWait?? They searched his house and he didn't start having a tantrum and start waving tiny hands everywhere?",
">\n\nobviously that means he already sold them /s",
">\n\nNow search the rest of Trump's residences and dig up that lady he buried in one of his gold courses.",
">\n\nSeriously how many houses do rich people need?",
">\n\nI was reading about this on a local news site (not American). When I did the standard \"reddit Biden FBI raid\" search on Google, I couldn't find this post until I literally started quoting the linked article. What's going on?",
">\n\nIt's not a raid when no warrant is required for entrance.",
">\n\nIt's interesting that they are searching every place that Biden ever set foot in, but refuse to search any of Trump's other properties where he almost certainly still has stolen documents. \nI know that Biden is giving them permission, but DOJ is still giving Trump a pass.",
">\n\nSo is this it? Have all Biden properties been searched? BTW, imagine having so many houses that you can't keep track of them all and what might be in them?",
">\n\nI don’t need to know when they don’t find anything.",
">\n\nFINALLY! We found a place that Biden/Trump didn’t have classified documents. Yay!",
">\n\nCool. How many properties to go?\nI see I am misunderstood. I just want to get it over with."
] |
>
YET!!!
/s | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP.",
">\n\nFBI did find the full \"Goosebumps\" collection however with a signed copy of \"Welcome to Dead House\"",
">\n\nWait?? They searched his house and he didn't start having a tantrum and start waving tiny hands everywhere?",
">\n\nobviously that means he already sold them /s",
">\n\nNow search the rest of Trump's residences and dig up that lady he buried in one of his gold courses.",
">\n\nSeriously how many houses do rich people need?",
">\n\nI was reading about this on a local news site (not American). When I did the standard \"reddit Biden FBI raid\" search on Google, I couldn't find this post until I literally started quoting the linked article. What's going on?",
">\n\nIt's not a raid when no warrant is required for entrance.",
">\n\nIt's interesting that they are searching every place that Biden ever set foot in, but refuse to search any of Trump's other properties where he almost certainly still has stolen documents. \nI know that Biden is giving them permission, but DOJ is still giving Trump a pass.",
">\n\nSo is this it? Have all Biden properties been searched? BTW, imagine having so many houses that you can't keep track of them all and what might be in them?",
">\n\nI don’t need to know when they don’t find anything.",
">\n\nFINALLY! We found a place that Biden/Trump didn’t have classified documents. Yay!",
">\n\nCool. How many properties to go?\nI see I am misunderstood. I just want to get it over with.",
">\n\nWell if you bought it decades ago, regular people bought them also."
] |
>
Well that's no fun | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP.",
">\n\nFBI did find the full \"Goosebumps\" collection however with a signed copy of \"Welcome to Dead House\"",
">\n\nWait?? They searched his house and he didn't start having a tantrum and start waving tiny hands everywhere?",
">\n\nobviously that means he already sold them /s",
">\n\nNow search the rest of Trump's residences and dig up that lady he buried in one of his gold courses.",
">\n\nSeriously how many houses do rich people need?",
">\n\nI was reading about this on a local news site (not American). When I did the standard \"reddit Biden FBI raid\" search on Google, I couldn't find this post until I literally started quoting the linked article. What's going on?",
">\n\nIt's not a raid when no warrant is required for entrance.",
">\n\nIt's interesting that they are searching every place that Biden ever set foot in, but refuse to search any of Trump's other properties where he almost certainly still has stolen documents. \nI know that Biden is giving them permission, but DOJ is still giving Trump a pass.",
">\n\nSo is this it? Have all Biden properties been searched? BTW, imagine having so many houses that you can't keep track of them all and what might be in them?",
">\n\nI don’t need to know when they don’t find anything.",
">\n\nFINALLY! We found a place that Biden/Trump didn’t have classified documents. Yay!",
">\n\nCool. How many properties to go?\nI see I am misunderstood. I just want to get it over with.",
">\n\nWell if you bought it decades ago, regular people bought them also.",
">\n\nYET!!!\n/s"
] |
>
Well that’s good. I know that’s where I always take my classified documents | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP.",
">\n\nFBI did find the full \"Goosebumps\" collection however with a signed copy of \"Welcome to Dead House\"",
">\n\nWait?? They searched his house and he didn't start having a tantrum and start waving tiny hands everywhere?",
">\n\nobviously that means he already sold them /s",
">\n\nNow search the rest of Trump's residences and dig up that lady he buried in one of his gold courses.",
">\n\nSeriously how many houses do rich people need?",
">\n\nI was reading about this on a local news site (not American). When I did the standard \"reddit Biden FBI raid\" search on Google, I couldn't find this post until I literally started quoting the linked article. What's going on?",
">\n\nIt's not a raid when no warrant is required for entrance.",
">\n\nIt's interesting that they are searching every place that Biden ever set foot in, but refuse to search any of Trump's other properties where he almost certainly still has stolen documents. \nI know that Biden is giving them permission, but DOJ is still giving Trump a pass.",
">\n\nSo is this it? Have all Biden properties been searched? BTW, imagine having so many houses that you can't keep track of them all and what might be in them?",
">\n\nI don’t need to know when they don’t find anything.",
">\n\nFINALLY! We found a place that Biden/Trump didn’t have classified documents. Yay!",
">\n\nCool. How many properties to go?\nI see I am misunderstood. I just want to get it over with.",
">\n\nWell if you bought it decades ago, regular people bought them also.",
">\n\nYET!!!\n/s",
">\n\nWell that's no fun"
] |
>
Interesting that this story manages to make the front page but none of the original stories about the search/raid taking place did. | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP.",
">\n\nFBI did find the full \"Goosebumps\" collection however with a signed copy of \"Welcome to Dead House\"",
">\n\nWait?? They searched his house and he didn't start having a tantrum and start waving tiny hands everywhere?",
">\n\nobviously that means he already sold them /s",
">\n\nNow search the rest of Trump's residences and dig up that lady he buried in one of his gold courses.",
">\n\nSeriously how many houses do rich people need?",
">\n\nI was reading about this on a local news site (not American). When I did the standard \"reddit Biden FBI raid\" search on Google, I couldn't find this post until I literally started quoting the linked article. What's going on?",
">\n\nIt's not a raid when no warrant is required for entrance.",
">\n\nIt's interesting that they are searching every place that Biden ever set foot in, but refuse to search any of Trump's other properties where he almost certainly still has stolen documents. \nI know that Biden is giving them permission, but DOJ is still giving Trump a pass.",
">\n\nSo is this it? Have all Biden properties been searched? BTW, imagine having so many houses that you can't keep track of them all and what might be in them?",
">\n\nI don’t need to know when they don’t find anything.",
">\n\nFINALLY! We found a place that Biden/Trump didn’t have classified documents. Yay!",
">\n\nCool. How many properties to go?\nI see I am misunderstood. I just want to get it over with.",
">\n\nWell if you bought it decades ago, regular people bought them also.",
">\n\nYET!!!\n/s",
">\n\nWell that's no fun",
">\n\nWell that’s good. I know that’s where I always take my classified documents"
] |
>
On Right Wing websites this will translate to "CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS PROVING JOE BIDEN PERSONALLY PLANNED 9/11 FOUND INSIDE DISCARDED COMET PIZZA BOX" | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP.",
">\n\nFBI did find the full \"Goosebumps\" collection however with a signed copy of \"Welcome to Dead House\"",
">\n\nWait?? They searched his house and he didn't start having a tantrum and start waving tiny hands everywhere?",
">\n\nobviously that means he already sold them /s",
">\n\nNow search the rest of Trump's residences and dig up that lady he buried in one of his gold courses.",
">\n\nSeriously how many houses do rich people need?",
">\n\nI was reading about this on a local news site (not American). When I did the standard \"reddit Biden FBI raid\" search on Google, I couldn't find this post until I literally started quoting the linked article. What's going on?",
">\n\nIt's not a raid when no warrant is required for entrance.",
">\n\nIt's interesting that they are searching every place that Biden ever set foot in, but refuse to search any of Trump's other properties where he almost certainly still has stolen documents. \nI know that Biden is giving them permission, but DOJ is still giving Trump a pass.",
">\n\nSo is this it? Have all Biden properties been searched? BTW, imagine having so many houses that you can't keep track of them all and what might be in them?",
">\n\nI don’t need to know when they don’t find anything.",
">\n\nFINALLY! We found a place that Biden/Trump didn’t have classified documents. Yay!",
">\n\nCool. How many properties to go?\nI see I am misunderstood. I just want to get it over with.",
">\n\nWell if you bought it decades ago, regular people bought them also.",
">\n\nYET!!!\n/s",
">\n\nWell that's no fun",
">\n\nWell that’s good. I know that’s where I always take my classified documents",
">\n\nInteresting that this story manages to make the front page but none of the original stories about the search/raid taking place did."
] |
>
I would post this in the r/Conservative thread where they said this sub wouldn't cover this story....but I'm banned.
Big LOL this was a nothingburger | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP.",
">\n\nFBI did find the full \"Goosebumps\" collection however with a signed copy of \"Welcome to Dead House\"",
">\n\nWait?? They searched his house and he didn't start having a tantrum and start waving tiny hands everywhere?",
">\n\nobviously that means he already sold them /s",
">\n\nNow search the rest of Trump's residences and dig up that lady he buried in one of his gold courses.",
">\n\nSeriously how many houses do rich people need?",
">\n\nI was reading about this on a local news site (not American). When I did the standard \"reddit Biden FBI raid\" search on Google, I couldn't find this post until I literally started quoting the linked article. What's going on?",
">\n\nIt's not a raid when no warrant is required for entrance.",
">\n\nIt's interesting that they are searching every place that Biden ever set foot in, but refuse to search any of Trump's other properties where he almost certainly still has stolen documents. \nI know that Biden is giving them permission, but DOJ is still giving Trump a pass.",
">\n\nSo is this it? Have all Biden properties been searched? BTW, imagine having so many houses that you can't keep track of them all and what might be in them?",
">\n\nI don’t need to know when they don’t find anything.",
">\n\nFINALLY! We found a place that Biden/Trump didn’t have classified documents. Yay!",
">\n\nCool. How many properties to go?\nI see I am misunderstood. I just want to get it over with.",
">\n\nWell if you bought it decades ago, regular people bought them also.",
">\n\nYET!!!\n/s",
">\n\nWell that's no fun",
">\n\nWell that’s good. I know that’s where I always take my classified documents",
">\n\nInteresting that this story manages to make the front page but none of the original stories about the search/raid taking place did.",
">\n\nOn Right Wing websites this will translate to \"CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS PROVING JOE BIDEN PERSONALLY PLANNED 9/11 FOUND INSIDE DISCARDED COMET PIZZA BOX\""
] |
> | [
"\"A source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual.\n\nEarlier Wednesday, Bauer said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.\"\nSo, in other words, this is nothing like Donald Trumps obstruction and lying to NARA, the FBI, the DOJ, and having to get a subpoena ...\nI hate to shoot down a false equivalence, but hey, the morons on some channels just keep wanting to equate the two completely different scenarios...",
">\n\n\nand the search was consensual.\n\n...That's what she said?",
">\n\nWhen you’re president you let them do it.",
">\n\nAlways let the FBI in through the back door",
">\n\nThat's the loop hole",
">\n\nAs expected",
">\n\nAnd yet media drooled all over themselves all morning breathlessly reporting on it. Media needs to get back to real journalism. This crap is embarrassing.",
">\n\nthe constant stream of ridiculous horse shit during trump's tenure got them hooked on the clicks and views. they're desperate to drum up drama to get that hit again \n\"Do not, my friends, become addicted to ~~water~~ political incompetence. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!\"\n-George Washington, 1684",
">\n\n\"V8! V8! V8!\"\n-Thomas Jefferson.",
">\n\n\"Mediocre!\" \n-James Madison",
">\n\n\"That's because a gay M&M took them to Hunter Biden first!\" - Tucker Carlson, probably.",
">\n\nThose M&M's with their extremely strong hands and powerful thighs. Their perfectly sculptured hour glass figures. Why are we giving them shoes when they should be wearing assless chaps. God gave them these assets why cant they flaunt them? Why don't we have white M&M's? Im just asking the questions here and I know the American public deserves to know. Wait no one else is thinking about these M&M's and how sexually charged they make me? They really get you riled up right? Wait they don't? Why have the liberals taken away a man's sexuality? Why are men not allowed to have these primal urges for the confectionary treats covered in chocolate and sometimes with nuts inside? Again, im just asking the questions.",
">\n\nNow do all of Trump's residences.",
">\n\nWell, that's good.",
">\n\nWhy have they not searched all trump's homes?",
">\n\nDoes that include Epstein's island?",
">\n\nAnd the 18th hole where Ivana is buried?",
">\n\nPut that in your pipe and smoke it.",
">\n\nHow? They didn't find anything. 😏",
">\n\nThey're gonna bust out the classics\n\nThe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence",
">\n\nbut the important issue to republicans is \"were there any dick pics?\"",
">\n\nNow. Off to Bedminster with a shovel.",
">\n\nSo much for \"He's the same as Trump.\".",
">\n\nBut didn’t they find documents in his house and garage?",
">\n\nYes they did. They also found them because he complied with the FBI and didn't try to fight the search like Trump did. That's where it differs. I honestly don't know why this has to be explained.",
">\n\n… because I don’t watch the news much, everyone on here was talking like he’s done nothing wrong. Honestly if they both did the same crime what does it matter whether or not they cooperated?",
">\n\nNo one here is saying he did nothing wrong. Or if they are, it's the minority. The majority of us (myself included) agree he shouldn't have had those documents where he did. And if it turns out it was purposeful, then he should be punished accordingly. Trump KNEW he had the documents and tried using bullshit reasons as to why he should have them. So no, it's not nearly the same crime.",
">\n\nCould've sworn I've seen 4 or 5 different posts about \"FBI found no classified documents in Biden's home\" before this one. I wonder if they're being deleted as off-topic.\nWhich would be interesting, given that posts of \"FBI is searching Biden's home for classified documents\" still seem to remain, as on-topic.\nWould that show any bias or impropriety if \"FBI searching Biden\" mudslinging/false equivalencies are allowed to remain, but any exonerating \"Biden's clean, FBI search and found nothing\" posts are deleted?\nIs that preferential treatment?",
">\n\nI guess we'll find out with this one.",
">\n\nBut why HAVENT we had MORE news reports about the suspicious LACK of evidence!? HUH!? HUH!? Oops, don't look towards the orange criminal, we are all too busy focusing on Biden right now, thank you. ~ GoP.",
">\n\nFBI did find the full \"Goosebumps\" collection however with a signed copy of \"Welcome to Dead House\"",
">\n\nWait?? They searched his house and he didn't start having a tantrum and start waving tiny hands everywhere?",
">\n\nobviously that means he already sold them /s",
">\n\nNow search the rest of Trump's residences and dig up that lady he buried in one of his gold courses.",
">\n\nSeriously how many houses do rich people need?",
">\n\nI was reading about this on a local news site (not American). When I did the standard \"reddit Biden FBI raid\" search on Google, I couldn't find this post until I literally started quoting the linked article. What's going on?",
">\n\nIt's not a raid when no warrant is required for entrance.",
">\n\nIt's interesting that they are searching every place that Biden ever set foot in, but refuse to search any of Trump's other properties where he almost certainly still has stolen documents. \nI know that Biden is giving them permission, but DOJ is still giving Trump a pass.",
">\n\nSo is this it? Have all Biden properties been searched? BTW, imagine having so many houses that you can't keep track of them all and what might be in them?",
">\n\nI don’t need to know when they don’t find anything.",
">\n\nFINALLY! We found a place that Biden/Trump didn’t have classified documents. Yay!",
">\n\nCool. How many properties to go?\nI see I am misunderstood. I just want to get it over with.",
">\n\nWell if you bought it decades ago, regular people bought them also.",
">\n\nYET!!!\n/s",
">\n\nWell that's no fun",
">\n\nWell that’s good. I know that’s where I always take my classified documents",
">\n\nInteresting that this story manages to make the front page but none of the original stories about the search/raid taking place did.",
">\n\nOn Right Wing websites this will translate to \"CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS PROVING JOE BIDEN PERSONALLY PLANNED 9/11 FOUND INSIDE DISCARDED COMET PIZZA BOX\"",
">\n\nI would post this in the r/Conservative thread where they said this sub wouldn't cover this story....but I'm banned.\nBig LOL this was a nothingburger"
] |
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This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw.
The lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.
If he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal. | [] |
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At one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal."
] |
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Yeah and they mean literally incapable.
All politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior.
That's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.
Usually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive.
That's Trump and lying.
Meanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her.
Meanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth."
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Al Franken put it precisely and succinctly: "Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'" | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes."
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This is a really great line. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\""
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I miss Al Franken as a Senator. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line."
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Me too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting "cancelled" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator."
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You’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think."
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Yeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough"
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There are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years.
1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself.
2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies."
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fined him $10,000 a day
Did he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the "billionaire"? | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”."
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IIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?"
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Really showed him.
Delay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines."
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Is it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence? | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat."
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There can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.
If Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.
His daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?"
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I think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, "deep state", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous."
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I just said that there can be justice.
I'm not optimistic. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are."
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Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.
On Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic."
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He also said the trump organization doesn’t exist
“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.
On Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.
“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.” | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company."
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The only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”"
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How does he keep finding these people? | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country."
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Shes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?"
] |
>
Even his lawyer is in trouble.
The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.
On Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.
“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.
I think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred."
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You don't think this judge is antisemantic do you? | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right."
] |
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Careful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3 | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?"
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This actually made me laugh out loud. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3"
] |
>
“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”
Hasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off.
Justice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud."
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It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off.
I think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them.
The DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage.
Justice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago.
Eh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation.
Justice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs."
] |
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It would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting.
Or, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report.
Or any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible."
] |
>
I think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.
They need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man."
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How about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him? | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades."
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He’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024 | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?"
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The dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies."
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Oh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know! | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!"
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Can legally shoot nuclear warheads | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads"
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\""
] |
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I'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now"
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I fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil."
] |
>
I have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly."
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Covid really let me down… | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise."
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trump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…"
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Seriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens."
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I have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water."
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If this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge.
No question about it. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast"
] |
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Is he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it."
] |
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He's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed."
] |
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How has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens."
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Everyone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage.
Living in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun! | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious."
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We can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen! | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!"
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I know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah! | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!"
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So, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere? | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!"
] |
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I’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People.
And I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?"
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My question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him"
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Oh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote."
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While presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:
Well, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...” | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote"
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If there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”"
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At this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him"
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Jesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!? | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave."
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‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’ | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?"
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….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’"
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Donald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution"
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“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences."
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Yes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no? | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime"
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If nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?
Because right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?"
] |
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He’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill."
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Why is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”."
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Sadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us"
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This is the rich feeling like they are above the law | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it"
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Feeling like? | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law"
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Oops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?"
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This feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.
Trump is a similarly disordered person. | [
"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory."
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"This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. \nThe lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life. Literally. He doesn't lie strategically. He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.\nIf he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal.",
">\n\nAt one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth.",
">\n\nYeah and they mean literally incapable. \nAll politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically. They do it towards a goal. They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward. This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. \nThat's not Trump. He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.\nUsually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive. \nThat's Trump and lying.\nMeanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. \nMeanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes.",
">\n\nAl Franken put it precisely and succinctly: \"Defending Trump by saying 'all politicians lie' is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by saying 'everyone eats things they shouldn't.'\"",
">\n\nThis is a really great line.",
">\n\nI miss Al Franken as a Senator.",
">\n\nMe too. When I think of all the people that should have stepped down and didnt, and he did. For something that really was not a big deal. The woman in question is a right wing nut job and it seems like he just did not want to deal with it. At the time a lot of people were getting \"cancelled\" and I think he just didn't want to get caught up in all the bullshit. He should have stuck it out I think.",
">\n\nYou’re forgetting the part where dems threw him under the bus cough Gillibrand cough",
">\n\nYeah, but she's basically a right-wing politico anyway. Blue dogs aren't true allies.",
">\n\nThere are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. \n1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. \n2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”.",
">\n\n\nfined him $10,000 a day\n\nDid he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the \"billionaire\"?",
">\n\nIIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines.",
">\n\nReally showed him.\nDelay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat.",
">\n\nIs it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence?",
">\n\nThere can still be justice here, because we're not just talking about Trump the individual. We're, in essence, talking about the Trump dynasty. Him, his parents, his children, brothers, sisters, and others.\nIf Donald gets legally destroyed before he dies, his children will have to face fallout that can prevent them from being as destructive as he has been throughout his life.\nHis daughter, for example, is every bit as bad as he is only she's potentially not as stupid as her father which makes her far more dangerous.",
">\n\nI think that's optimistic. Even if Trump Sr. gets destroyed, his kids can claim injustice, \"deep state\", play the victim and Trump supporters will lap it up, and be even angrier than they already are.",
">\n\nI just said that there can be justice.\nI'm not optimistic.",
">\n\n\nTrump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.\nOn Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.",
">\n\nHe also said the trump organization doesn’t exist\n“The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.\nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.”",
">\n\nThe only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country.",
">\n\nHow does he keep finding these people?",
">\n\nShes kind of attractive and will have an excellent career as a fox news host once shes disbarred.",
">\n\nEven his lawyer is in trouble.\n\nThe result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades. \nOn Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.\n\n“Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.\nI think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right.",
">\n\nYou don't think this judge is antisemantic do you?",
">\n\nCareful, rhetoric like that could start Word War 3",
">\n\nThis actually made me laugh out loud.",
">\n\n“Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”\nHasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before? It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs.",
">\n\n\nIt appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons? DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off. \n\nI think it's more likely the DOJ is treating this investigation like a mafia RICO case, which can potentially take down his whole crime/coup syndicate. RICO is particularly effective at taking down slippery mafioso-wannabe types who coerce lackeys to do most of their lawbreaking for them. \nThe DOJ clearly has enough to convict him on some individual crimes, so there's no particular rush--they can keep those in their pocket to charge him any time they want. No need to charge the first convictable scraps when they're part of a much more comprehensive investigation into conspiracy, sedition, racketeering, insurrection, fraud, and maybe even espionage. \n\nJustice delayed is Justice denied. Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. \n\nEh, not really. Any other American at the center of a massive conspiracy involving crimes in several states, involving violence, fraud, and government corruption, with 1000+ co-conspirators ranging from militia seditionists to the highest levels of government would likely be subject to a multi-year investigation. \nJustice rushed is justice flushed? I think rooting out and taking down the entire conspiracy is much more important than just putting Trump in jail as fast as possible.",
">\n\nIt would have been *really nice* of the DOJ to charge Trump, et al, with Logan Act violations for the Trump Tower meeting. \nOr, any of the dozen other things listed in the Mueller Report. \nOr any of the hundred other things that were dealt with civilly that should have been criminal.",
">\n\nI think weirdly that is part of the challenge. Trump spent his presidency trying to spoil the well of so many of his crimes. Anything in the Mueller was poison because it was so politicized they would struggle to get a conviction.\nThey need to build a rock solid case so that it can get through a jury of his peers, 25% of who adore this man.",
">\n\nThe GOP has been laying this groundwork, for 3+ decades.",
">\n\nHow about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him?",
">\n\nHe’s not going to get prosecuted. The dems really want to run against him in 2024",
">\n\nThe dems really want him to run as 3rd party candidate, specifically. He will be there to fuck with the GOP every 4 years until he dies.",
">\n\nKeep in mind, one can run for president after conviction, even while in prison.",
">\n\nOh I didn't know that, I thought your rights gets suspended until you are released. Good to know!",
">\n\nYou can't vote, but you can be elected.",
">\n\nCant legally shoot a gun\nCan legally shoot nuclear warheads",
">\n\nAt some point, some judge is going to say, \"Enough is enough.\"",
">\n\nPlease let it be any FUCKING day now",
">\n\nI'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point. I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil.",
">\n\nI fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly.",
">\n\nI have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise.",
">\n\nCovid really let me down…",
">\n\ntrump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nSeriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water.",
">\n\nI have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping. As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast",
">\n\nIf this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. \nNo question about it.",
">\n\nIs he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed.",
">\n\nHe's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens.",
">\n\nHow has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious.",
">\n\nEveryone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage. \nLiving in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun!",
">\n\nWe can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen!",
">\n\nI know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah!",
">\n\nSo, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret? Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere?",
">\n\nI’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. \nAnd I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous.",
">\n\nMy question has always been, how the hell do you impanel a jury for this case? Jury registration is based on voter rolls, so you need someone registered to vote but without a strong opinion on him",
">\n\n40% of voting-age people don’t vote.",
">\n\nOh I'm aware, but only people registered are eligible, and even those that don't vote still probably have an opinion, he's a very controversial figure, you'd be hard pressed to find someone oblivious enough to not have a strongly held opinion AND registered to vote",
">\n\nWhile presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:\n\nWell, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...”",
">\n\nIf there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him",
">\n\nAt this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave.",
">\n\nJesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!?",
">\n\n‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’",
">\n\n….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution",
">\n\nDonald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences.",
">\n\n“Or he looked into the faces of the Republican faithful and knowingly lied.” So he lied to the public, which isn’t a crime",
">\n\nYes, he probably lied, but if so he lied by claiming to have committed a serious crime. That's not a crime (usually), but should warrant an investigation, no?",
">\n\nIf nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?\nBecause right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill.",
">\n\nHe’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”.",
">\n\nWhy is this guy even allowed to roam the streets and run for President? Lord help us",
">\n\nSadly judges only care about being lied to if the liar is someone they don't like. They all love them a Trump and it shows. They let Trump abuse, ridicule, delay, and disrespect the court for decades and they continue to allow it",
">\n\nThis is the rich feeling like they are above the law",
">\n\nFeeling like?",
">\n\nOops! At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory.",
">\n\nThis feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.\nTrump is a similarly disordered person."
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