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[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice.", ">\n\nHuh I thought Harmon would be the one to scandal the show into oblivion. Roiland seemed to be the more stable of the two.\nI guess the show is fucked isn't he the voice of both Rick and Morty?" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice.", ">\n\nHuh I thought Harmon would be the one to scandal the show into oblivion. Roiland seemed to be the more stable of the two.\nI guess the show is fucked isn't he the voice of both Rick and Morty?", ">\n\nI'd have definitely picked Harmon as the abuser. He's a brilliant writer but a shit human. \nRoiland always seemed the more wholesome of the two." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice.", ">\n\nHuh I thought Harmon would be the one to scandal the show into oblivion. Roiland seemed to be the more stable of the two.\nI guess the show is fucked isn't he the voice of both Rick and Morty?", ">\n\nI'd have definitely picked Harmon as the abuser. He's a brilliant writer but a shit human. \nRoiland always seemed the more wholesome of the two.", ">\n\nYou mean the guy who literally can't perform his voice acting without being drunk or on drugs?" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice.", ">\n\nHuh I thought Harmon would be the one to scandal the show into oblivion. Roiland seemed to be the more stable of the two.\nI guess the show is fucked isn't he the voice of both Rick and Morty?", ">\n\nI'd have definitely picked Harmon as the abuser. He's a brilliant writer but a shit human. \nRoiland always seemed the more wholesome of the two.", ">\n\nYou mean the guy who literally can't perform his voice acting without being drunk or on drugs?", ">\n\nJust because you have to be sober to operate a forklift doesn’t mean creatives have to be sober.\nIf creatives had to be sober to work, we wouldn’t have much to enjoy.\n“Rrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs”\nEdit: Here come the puritans lol" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice.", ">\n\nHuh I thought Harmon would be the one to scandal the show into oblivion. Roiland seemed to be the more stable of the two.\nI guess the show is fucked isn't he the voice of both Rick and Morty?", ">\n\nI'd have definitely picked Harmon as the abuser. He's a brilliant writer but a shit human. \nRoiland always seemed the more wholesome of the two.", ">\n\nYou mean the guy who literally can't perform his voice acting without being drunk or on drugs?", ">\n\nJust because you have to be sober to operate a forklift doesn’t mean creatives have to be sober.\nIf creatives had to be sober to work, we wouldn’t have much to enjoy.\n“Rrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs”\nEdit: Here come the puritans lol", ">\n\nHmm, I'm feeling less good about just finishing my High on Life playthrough now." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice.", ">\n\nHuh I thought Harmon would be the one to scandal the show into oblivion. Roiland seemed to be the more stable of the two.\nI guess the show is fucked isn't he the voice of both Rick and Morty?", ">\n\nI'd have definitely picked Harmon as the abuser. He's a brilliant writer but a shit human. \nRoiland always seemed the more wholesome of the two.", ">\n\nYou mean the guy who literally can't perform his voice acting without being drunk or on drugs?", ">\n\nJust because you have to be sober to operate a forklift doesn’t mean creatives have to be sober.\nIf creatives had to be sober to work, we wouldn’t have much to enjoy.\n“Rrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs”\nEdit: Here come the puritans lol", ">\n\nHmm, I'm feeling less good about just finishing my High on Life playthrough now.", ">\n\nThere's an Easter egg that teases a sequel if you find it...not feeling too great about that right now. \nI hope he's innocent, but from the little I've seen it doesn't look good." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice.", ">\n\nHuh I thought Harmon would be the one to scandal the show into oblivion. Roiland seemed to be the more stable of the two.\nI guess the show is fucked isn't he the voice of both Rick and Morty?", ">\n\nI'd have definitely picked Harmon as the abuser. He's a brilliant writer but a shit human. \nRoiland always seemed the more wholesome of the two.", ">\n\nYou mean the guy who literally can't perform his voice acting without being drunk or on drugs?", ">\n\nJust because you have to be sober to operate a forklift doesn’t mean creatives have to be sober.\nIf creatives had to be sober to work, we wouldn’t have much to enjoy.\n“Rrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs”\nEdit: Here come the puritans lol", ">\n\nHmm, I'm feeling less good about just finishing my High on Life playthrough now.", ">\n\nThere's an Easter egg that teases a sequel if you find it...not feeling too great about that right now. \nI hope he's innocent, but from the little I've seen it doesn't look good.", ">\n\nNot surprising, at all. \nI think Dan Harmon also made a \"film\" back in the day about fucking a baby. \nThere was always something off about both of them, and their cringe humor. \nI bet there are many, many MANY more skeletons in their closets. \nRick and Morty has sucked since the ending of season 2 anyway, so good riddance if this gets the show cancelled lol." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice.", ">\n\nHuh I thought Harmon would be the one to scandal the show into oblivion. Roiland seemed to be the more stable of the two.\nI guess the show is fucked isn't he the voice of both Rick and Morty?", ">\n\nI'd have definitely picked Harmon as the abuser. He's a brilliant writer but a shit human. \nRoiland always seemed the more wholesome of the two.", ">\n\nYou mean the guy who literally can't perform his voice acting without being drunk or on drugs?", ">\n\nJust because you have to be sober to operate a forklift doesn’t mean creatives have to be sober.\nIf creatives had to be sober to work, we wouldn’t have much to enjoy.\n“Rrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs”\nEdit: Here come the puritans lol", ">\n\nHmm, I'm feeling less good about just finishing my High on Life playthrough now.", ">\n\nThere's an Easter egg that teases a sequel if you find it...not feeling too great about that right now. \nI hope he's innocent, but from the little I've seen it doesn't look good.", ">\n\nNot surprising, at all. \nI think Dan Harmon also made a \"film\" back in the day about fucking a baby. \nThere was always something off about both of them, and their cringe humor. \nI bet there are many, many MANY more skeletons in their closets. \nRick and Morty has sucked since the ending of season 2 anyway, so good riddance if this gets the show cancelled lol.", ">\n\nAs much as I love Rick and Morty, I wouldn't mind if they gave the show to someone else." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice.", ">\n\nHuh I thought Harmon would be the one to scandal the show into oblivion. Roiland seemed to be the more stable of the two.\nI guess the show is fucked isn't he the voice of both Rick and Morty?", ">\n\nI'd have definitely picked Harmon as the abuser. He's a brilliant writer but a shit human. \nRoiland always seemed the more wholesome of the two.", ">\n\nYou mean the guy who literally can't perform his voice acting without being drunk or on drugs?", ">\n\nJust because you have to be sober to operate a forklift doesn’t mean creatives have to be sober.\nIf creatives had to be sober to work, we wouldn’t have much to enjoy.\n“Rrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs”\nEdit: Here come the puritans lol", ">\n\nHmm, I'm feeling less good about just finishing my High on Life playthrough now.", ">\n\nThere's an Easter egg that teases a sequel if you find it...not feeling too great about that right now. \nI hope he's innocent, but from the little I've seen it doesn't look good.", ">\n\nNot surprising, at all. \nI think Dan Harmon also made a \"film\" back in the day about fucking a baby. \nThere was always something off about both of them, and their cringe humor. \nI bet there are many, many MANY more skeletons in their closets. \nRick and Morty has sucked since the ending of season 2 anyway, so good riddance if this gets the show cancelled lol.", ">\n\nAs much as I love Rick and Morty, I wouldn't mind if they gave the show to someone else.", ">\n\nIf so many creators you love turn out to be a shithead, does that make you a shithead?" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice.", ">\n\nHuh I thought Harmon would be the one to scandal the show into oblivion. Roiland seemed to be the more stable of the two.\nI guess the show is fucked isn't he the voice of both Rick and Morty?", ">\n\nI'd have definitely picked Harmon as the abuser. He's a brilliant writer but a shit human. \nRoiland always seemed the more wholesome of the two.", ">\n\nYou mean the guy who literally can't perform his voice acting without being drunk or on drugs?", ">\n\nJust because you have to be sober to operate a forklift doesn’t mean creatives have to be sober.\nIf creatives had to be sober to work, we wouldn’t have much to enjoy.\n“Rrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs”\nEdit: Here come the puritans lol", ">\n\nHmm, I'm feeling less good about just finishing my High on Life playthrough now.", ">\n\nThere's an Easter egg that teases a sequel if you find it...not feeling too great about that right now. \nI hope he's innocent, but from the little I've seen it doesn't look good.", ">\n\nNot surprising, at all. \nI think Dan Harmon also made a \"film\" back in the day about fucking a baby. \nThere was always something off about both of them, and their cringe humor. \nI bet there are many, many MANY more skeletons in their closets. \nRick and Morty has sucked since the ending of season 2 anyway, so good riddance if this gets the show cancelled lol.", ">\n\nAs much as I love Rick and Morty, I wouldn't mind if they gave the show to someone else.", ">\n\nIf so many creators you love turn out to be a shithead, does that make you a shithead?", ">\n\n“No. You are not your father, Zagreus.”" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice.", ">\n\nHuh I thought Harmon would be the one to scandal the show into oblivion. Roiland seemed to be the more stable of the two.\nI guess the show is fucked isn't he the voice of both Rick and Morty?", ">\n\nI'd have definitely picked Harmon as the abuser. He's a brilliant writer but a shit human. \nRoiland always seemed the more wholesome of the two.", ">\n\nYou mean the guy who literally can't perform his voice acting without being drunk or on drugs?", ">\n\nJust because you have to be sober to operate a forklift doesn’t mean creatives have to be sober.\nIf creatives had to be sober to work, we wouldn’t have much to enjoy.\n“Rrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs”\nEdit: Here come the puritans lol", ">\n\nHmm, I'm feeling less good about just finishing my High on Life playthrough now.", ">\n\nThere's an Easter egg that teases a sequel if you find it...not feeling too great about that right now. \nI hope he's innocent, but from the little I've seen it doesn't look good.", ">\n\nNot surprising, at all. \nI think Dan Harmon also made a \"film\" back in the day about fucking a baby. \nThere was always something off about both of them, and their cringe humor. \nI bet there are many, many MANY more skeletons in their closets. \nRick and Morty has sucked since the ending of season 2 anyway, so good riddance if this gets the show cancelled lol.", ">\n\nAs much as I love Rick and Morty, I wouldn't mind if they gave the show to someone else.", ">\n\nIf so many creators you love turn out to be a shithead, does that make you a shithead?", ">\n\n“No. You are not your father, Zagreus.”", ">\n\nWow. I'm in such shock. Who could have possibly thought." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice.", ">\n\nHuh I thought Harmon would be the one to scandal the show into oblivion. Roiland seemed to be the more stable of the two.\nI guess the show is fucked isn't he the voice of both Rick and Morty?", ">\n\nI'd have definitely picked Harmon as the abuser. He's a brilliant writer but a shit human. \nRoiland always seemed the more wholesome of the two.", ">\n\nYou mean the guy who literally can't perform his voice acting without being drunk or on drugs?", ">\n\nJust because you have to be sober to operate a forklift doesn’t mean creatives have to be sober.\nIf creatives had to be sober to work, we wouldn’t have much to enjoy.\n“Rrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs”\nEdit: Here come the puritans lol", ">\n\nHmm, I'm feeling less good about just finishing my High on Life playthrough now.", ">\n\nThere's an Easter egg that teases a sequel if you find it...not feeling too great about that right now. \nI hope he's innocent, but from the little I've seen it doesn't look good.", ">\n\nNot surprising, at all. \nI think Dan Harmon also made a \"film\" back in the day about fucking a baby. \nThere was always something off about both of them, and their cringe humor. \nI bet there are many, many MANY more skeletons in their closets. \nRick and Morty has sucked since the ending of season 2 anyway, so good riddance if this gets the show cancelled lol.", ">\n\nAs much as I love Rick and Morty, I wouldn't mind if they gave the show to someone else.", ">\n\nIf so many creators you love turn out to be a shithead, does that make you a shithead?", ">\n\n“No. You are not your father, Zagreus.”", ">\n\nWow. I'm in such shock. Who could have possibly thought.", ">\n\nI'm gonna need you to take these seeds into the bathroom, and I'm gonna need you to put them way up inside your butthole.." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice.", ">\n\nHuh I thought Harmon would be the one to scandal the show into oblivion. Roiland seemed to be the more stable of the two.\nI guess the show is fucked isn't he the voice of both Rick and Morty?", ">\n\nI'd have definitely picked Harmon as the abuser. He's a brilliant writer but a shit human. \nRoiland always seemed the more wholesome of the two.", ">\n\nYou mean the guy who literally can't perform his voice acting without being drunk or on drugs?", ">\n\nJust because you have to be sober to operate a forklift doesn’t mean creatives have to be sober.\nIf creatives had to be sober to work, we wouldn’t have much to enjoy.\n“Rrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs”\nEdit: Here come the puritans lol", ">\n\nHmm, I'm feeling less good about just finishing my High on Life playthrough now.", ">\n\nThere's an Easter egg that teases a sequel if you find it...not feeling too great about that right now. \nI hope he's innocent, but from the little I've seen it doesn't look good.", ">\n\nNot surprising, at all. \nI think Dan Harmon also made a \"film\" back in the day about fucking a baby. \nThere was always something off about both of them, and their cringe humor. \nI bet there are many, many MANY more skeletons in their closets. \nRick and Morty has sucked since the ending of season 2 anyway, so good riddance if this gets the show cancelled lol.", ">\n\nAs much as I love Rick and Morty, I wouldn't mind if they gave the show to someone else.", ">\n\nIf so many creators you love turn out to be a shithead, does that make you a shithead?", ">\n\n“No. You are not your father, Zagreus.”", ">\n\nWow. I'm in such shock. Who could have possibly thought.", ">\n\nI'm gonna need you to take these seeds into the bathroom, and I'm gonna need you to put them way up inside your butthole..", ">\n\nYou little shit! I thought you were having loud sex!" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice.", ">\n\nHuh I thought Harmon would be the one to scandal the show into oblivion. Roiland seemed to be the more stable of the two.\nI guess the show is fucked isn't he the voice of both Rick and Morty?", ">\n\nI'd have definitely picked Harmon as the abuser. He's a brilliant writer but a shit human. \nRoiland always seemed the more wholesome of the two.", ">\n\nYou mean the guy who literally can't perform his voice acting without being drunk or on drugs?", ">\n\nJust because you have to be sober to operate a forklift doesn’t mean creatives have to be sober.\nIf creatives had to be sober to work, we wouldn’t have much to enjoy.\n“Rrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs”\nEdit: Here come the puritans lol", ">\n\nHmm, I'm feeling less good about just finishing my High on Life playthrough now.", ">\n\nThere's an Easter egg that teases a sequel if you find it...not feeling too great about that right now. \nI hope he's innocent, but from the little I've seen it doesn't look good.", ">\n\nNot surprising, at all. \nI think Dan Harmon also made a \"film\" back in the day about fucking a baby. \nThere was always something off about both of them, and their cringe humor. \nI bet there are many, many MANY more skeletons in their closets. \nRick and Morty has sucked since the ending of season 2 anyway, so good riddance if this gets the show cancelled lol.", ">\n\nAs much as I love Rick and Morty, I wouldn't mind if they gave the show to someone else.", ">\n\nIf so many creators you love turn out to be a shithead, does that make you a shithead?", ">\n\n“No. You are not your father, Zagreus.”", ">\n\nWow. I'm in such shock. Who could have possibly thought.", ">\n\nI'm gonna need you to take these seeds into the bathroom, and I'm gonna need you to put them way up inside your butthole..", ">\n\nYou little shit! I thought you were having loud sex!", ">\n\nMaybe now it will be possible to find smoking accessories that aren't covered in this R&M trash." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice.", ">\n\nHuh I thought Harmon would be the one to scandal the show into oblivion. Roiland seemed to be the more stable of the two.\nI guess the show is fucked isn't he the voice of both Rick and Morty?", ">\n\nI'd have definitely picked Harmon as the abuser. He's a brilliant writer but a shit human. \nRoiland always seemed the more wholesome of the two.", ">\n\nYou mean the guy who literally can't perform his voice acting without being drunk or on drugs?", ">\n\nJust because you have to be sober to operate a forklift doesn’t mean creatives have to be sober.\nIf creatives had to be sober to work, we wouldn’t have much to enjoy.\n“Rrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs”\nEdit: Here come the puritans lol", ">\n\nHmm, I'm feeling less good about just finishing my High on Life playthrough now.", ">\n\nThere's an Easter egg that teases a sequel if you find it...not feeling too great about that right now. \nI hope he's innocent, but from the little I've seen it doesn't look good.", ">\n\nNot surprising, at all. \nI think Dan Harmon also made a \"film\" back in the day about fucking a baby. \nThere was always something off about both of them, and their cringe humor. \nI bet there are many, many MANY more skeletons in their closets. \nRick and Morty has sucked since the ending of season 2 anyway, so good riddance if this gets the show cancelled lol.", ">\n\nAs much as I love Rick and Morty, I wouldn't mind if they gave the show to someone else.", ">\n\nIf so many creators you love turn out to be a shithead, does that make you a shithead?", ">\n\n“No. You are not your father, Zagreus.”", ">\n\nWow. I'm in such shock. Who could have possibly thought.", ">\n\nI'm gonna need you to take these seeds into the bathroom, and I'm gonna need you to put them way up inside your butthole..", ">\n\nYou little shit! I thought you were having loud sex!", ">\n\nMaybe now it will be possible to find smoking accessories that aren't covered in this R&M trash.", ">\n\nIf you read the article, you would know that he appeared in court today and that the information just became public." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice.", ">\n\nHuh I thought Harmon would be the one to scandal the show into oblivion. Roiland seemed to be the more stable of the two.\nI guess the show is fucked isn't he the voice of both Rick and Morty?", ">\n\nI'd have definitely picked Harmon as the abuser. He's a brilliant writer but a shit human. \nRoiland always seemed the more wholesome of the two.", ">\n\nYou mean the guy who literally can't perform his voice acting without being drunk or on drugs?", ">\n\nJust because you have to be sober to operate a forklift doesn’t mean creatives have to be sober.\nIf creatives had to be sober to work, we wouldn’t have much to enjoy.\n“Rrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs”\nEdit: Here come the puritans lol", ">\n\nHmm, I'm feeling less good about just finishing my High on Life playthrough now.", ">\n\nThere's an Easter egg that teases a sequel if you find it...not feeling too great about that right now. \nI hope he's innocent, but from the little I've seen it doesn't look good.", ">\n\nNot surprising, at all. \nI think Dan Harmon also made a \"film\" back in the day about fucking a baby. \nThere was always something off about both of them, and their cringe humor. \nI bet there are many, many MANY more skeletons in their closets. \nRick and Morty has sucked since the ending of season 2 anyway, so good riddance if this gets the show cancelled lol.", ">\n\nAs much as I love Rick and Morty, I wouldn't mind if they gave the show to someone else.", ">\n\nIf so many creators you love turn out to be a shithead, does that make you a shithead?", ">\n\n“No. You are not your father, Zagreus.”", ">\n\nWow. I'm in such shock. Who could have possibly thought.", ">\n\nI'm gonna need you to take these seeds into the bathroom, and I'm gonna need you to put them way up inside your butthole..", ">\n\nYou little shit! I thought you were having loud sex!", ">\n\nMaybe now it will be possible to find smoking accessories that aren't covered in this R&M trash.", ">\n\nIf you read the article, you would know that he appeared in court today and that the information just became public.", ">\n\nMy thoughts on this are two fold:\n1. What a POS (if accusations prove to be true), and I hope his victims are okay and get whatever help they need. Priority one. \n\nWhy do actors/producers/directors/writers/etc… keep doing this shit? It ultimately leads to the poisoning of good content. It leads to boycotts, defunding, legal issues, etc… and then whatever creation they contributed to is ruined. It’s rage inducing.\n\nEdit: I wanted to clarify both points are rage inducing, obviously the former more than latter.\nEdit2: As a commenter pointed out, I was originally assuming guilt, but there is no official verdict -- so qualifying my first statement." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice.", ">\n\nHuh I thought Harmon would be the one to scandal the show into oblivion. Roiland seemed to be the more stable of the two.\nI guess the show is fucked isn't he the voice of both Rick and Morty?", ">\n\nI'd have definitely picked Harmon as the abuser. He's a brilliant writer but a shit human. \nRoiland always seemed the more wholesome of the two.", ">\n\nYou mean the guy who literally can't perform his voice acting without being drunk or on drugs?", ">\n\nJust because you have to be sober to operate a forklift doesn’t mean creatives have to be sober.\nIf creatives had to be sober to work, we wouldn’t have much to enjoy.\n“Rrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs”\nEdit: Here come the puritans lol", ">\n\nHmm, I'm feeling less good about just finishing my High on Life playthrough now.", ">\n\nThere's an Easter egg that teases a sequel if you find it...not feeling too great about that right now. \nI hope he's innocent, but from the little I've seen it doesn't look good.", ">\n\nNot surprising, at all. \nI think Dan Harmon also made a \"film\" back in the day about fucking a baby. \nThere was always something off about both of them, and their cringe humor. \nI bet there are many, many MANY more skeletons in their closets. \nRick and Morty has sucked since the ending of season 2 anyway, so good riddance if this gets the show cancelled lol.", ">\n\nAs much as I love Rick and Morty, I wouldn't mind if they gave the show to someone else.", ">\n\nIf so many creators you love turn out to be a shithead, does that make you a shithead?", ">\n\n“No. You are not your father, Zagreus.”", ">\n\nWow. I'm in such shock. Who could have possibly thought.", ">\n\nI'm gonna need you to take these seeds into the bathroom, and I'm gonna need you to put them way up inside your butthole..", ">\n\nYou little shit! I thought you were having loud sex!", ">\n\nMaybe now it will be possible to find smoking accessories that aren't covered in this R&M trash.", ">\n\nIf you read the article, you would know that he appeared in court today and that the information just became public.", ">\n\nMy thoughts on this are two fold:\n1. What a POS (if accusations prove to be true), and I hope his victims are okay and get whatever help they need. Priority one. \n\nWhy do actors/producers/directors/writers/etc… keep doing this shit? It ultimately leads to the poisoning of good content. It leads to boycotts, defunding, legal issues, etc… and then whatever creation they contributed to is ruined. It’s rage inducing.\n\nEdit: I wanted to clarify both points are rage inducing, obviously the former more than latter.\nEdit2: As a commenter pointed out, I was originally assuming guilt, but there is no official verdict -- so qualifying my first statement.", ">\n\nWhy do people jump to conclusions so fast, innocent until proven guilty, what happened to a basic human right? \nRemember the heard vs depp case? They both can be viewed as shitty, but one lost alot over claims and no proof. \nI think people should wait for results" ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice.", ">\n\nHuh I thought Harmon would be the one to scandal the show into oblivion. Roiland seemed to be the more stable of the two.\nI guess the show is fucked isn't he the voice of both Rick and Morty?", ">\n\nI'd have definitely picked Harmon as the abuser. He's a brilliant writer but a shit human. \nRoiland always seemed the more wholesome of the two.", ">\n\nYou mean the guy who literally can't perform his voice acting without being drunk or on drugs?", ">\n\nJust because you have to be sober to operate a forklift doesn’t mean creatives have to be sober.\nIf creatives had to be sober to work, we wouldn’t have much to enjoy.\n“Rrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs”\nEdit: Here come the puritans lol", ">\n\nHmm, I'm feeling less good about just finishing my High on Life playthrough now.", ">\n\nThere's an Easter egg that teases a sequel if you find it...not feeling too great about that right now. \nI hope he's innocent, but from the little I've seen it doesn't look good.", ">\n\nNot surprising, at all. \nI think Dan Harmon also made a \"film\" back in the day about fucking a baby. \nThere was always something off about both of them, and their cringe humor. \nI bet there are many, many MANY more skeletons in their closets. \nRick and Morty has sucked since the ending of season 2 anyway, so good riddance if this gets the show cancelled lol.", ">\n\nAs much as I love Rick and Morty, I wouldn't mind if they gave the show to someone else.", ">\n\nIf so many creators you love turn out to be a shithead, does that make you a shithead?", ">\n\n“No. You are not your father, Zagreus.”", ">\n\nWow. I'm in such shock. Who could have possibly thought.", ">\n\nI'm gonna need you to take these seeds into the bathroom, and I'm gonna need you to put them way up inside your butthole..", ">\n\nYou little shit! I thought you were having loud sex!", ">\n\nMaybe now it will be possible to find smoking accessories that aren't covered in this R&M trash.", ">\n\nIf you read the article, you would know that he appeared in court today and that the information just became public.", ">\n\nMy thoughts on this are two fold:\n1. What a POS (if accusations prove to be true), and I hope his victims are okay and get whatever help they need. Priority one. \n\nWhy do actors/producers/directors/writers/etc… keep doing this shit? It ultimately leads to the poisoning of good content. It leads to boycotts, defunding, legal issues, etc… and then whatever creation they contributed to is ruined. It’s rage inducing.\n\nEdit: I wanted to clarify both points are rage inducing, obviously the former more than latter.\nEdit2: As a commenter pointed out, I was originally assuming guilt, but there is no official verdict -- so qualifying my first statement.", ">\n\nWhy do people jump to conclusions so fast, innocent until proven guilty, what happened to a basic human right? \nRemember the heard vs depp case? They both can be viewed as shitty, but one lost alot over claims and no proof. \nI think people should wait for results", ">\n\nThat's fair, my statements are coming from the assumption he is guilty. I hope he's not -- but it's also not uncommon in that industry for guilty people to go unpunished, or victims to be dismissed.\nI was on Depp's \"side\" for the reasons you stated, although both Heard and Depp were shitty to one another, but Depp lost a lot from accusations alone. \nI'll clarify my first bullet point." ]

[ "“Ever think about how horrified the people we love would be if they found out who we truly are?”- Mr. Poopy Butthole, end of season 5. Oohwee.", ">\n\nOohwee indeed friend...oohwee", ">\n\nAh geez, Rick. This isn't exactly a good look, you know?", ">\n\n20 minute court hearing. In and out.", ">\n\n\"Court hearing\" and \"Rick and Morty\" immediately bring the Denver Fenton Allen vs. the State of Georgia verbatim transcript reading to mind.", ">\n\nThis is one of countless reasons why you should not idolize celebrities. Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but you shouldn't rush to proclaim his innocence either just because you like the stuff he's made. He's just a human being like any other.", ">\n\nCouldn’t agree more, if you need a hero let it be someone important in your life not some fake celebrity personality. The Foo Fighters have an old song about that.", ">\n\n\nif you need a hero let it be someone you actually know\n\nWhen you look up to people whom you have little to no real connection to, you tend to miss things. Plus, you're looking up to an idealized version of them, not who they actually are. At least in my experience, it should be expected your \"heros\" do things unexpected or \"wrong\", because you really don't know much about those people.", ">\n\nOr someone who is dead and can no longer tarnish their reputation. Dr. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes for sure. Man was stellar. Pun intended.", ">\n\nYou mean like Jimmy Saville? He was dead before all his shite became public knowledge", ">\n\nThat’s actually not true at all. Perhaps not widely known, or condemned as unacceptable and thought of as actionable, but it was really huge open secret.\nYou can even see he’s groping a girl, comments on it, and the camera zooms in, at least in part to crop her out.\nI don’t know what it is - mass hypnosis? Career preservation? But people like him just skated by back in the day. I’m so glad people started coming forward.", ">\n\nWhen people talk about rape culture, this is the sort of thing they mean.", ">\n\n\n”When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”\n\n\nDonald J. Trump, former President of the US.", ">\n\nI love Rick and Morty\nCharge him if he’s guilty", ">\n\nI love Solar Opposites even more, charge him and let it get cancelled if that’s what happens. Fuck anyone that does this.", ">\n\nthat show started so good then the shit with the tiny people was pretty lame like... did you guys get bored with your entirely new characters you made already? like what the fuck?", ">\n\nSorry, you’re wrong and have bad tastes. /s\nBut for real, the wall is the show. The rest is filler content.", ">\n\ncant believe so many people like that shit more than the actual alien characters. the idea that yumyulack or whatever has the wall is funny, but exploring every plot line in excruciating detail was a bit much. i genuinely could not have cared less who was the good/bad guy and literally skipped past the parts with \"the wall\" that im now just learning is what its called\nthey basically just made rick and morty again but shrunk down and less interesting... oh man that's so funny they milk a mouse! :|", ">\n\nIt’s not like Rick and Morty other than the sci-fi/space element. I think you were unable to see past that comparison and enjoy it. Not everything is for everyone though.", ">\n\nDamn, and right after the release of High On Life too... that's fucked.", ">\n\nIt was probably specifically buried from news until the game was released.", ">\n\nArticle says this happened in 2020", ">\n\nSince when have they included an Article with the comment section? \n/s", ">\n\nSad.. but I guess we know which one was Rick now", ">\n\nI know what you mean, but, to be clear, he voices both Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nevery rick has its morty, just like every roiland has its harmon", ">\n\nAnd every jerry has a sad sad life", ">\n\nAlso anti-union so extra pos", ">\n\nMost nuanced redditor", ">\n\nSure there is nuance. They are all pieces of shit, just different kinds of pieces of shit. Some are dogshit. Others are bullshit. So many different pieces of shit who are anti-union.", ">\n\nI meant in regards to thinking that unions are not objectively beneficial to the workforce being silly isn't something that can be 'nuanced'", ">\n\nshow about an asshole was made by an asshole discovered to be doing… asshole behavior???", ">\n\n“I used to do asshole things. I still do, but I used to too.”", ">\n\nRIP Mitch", ">\n\nI went to the doctor. All he did was suck blood from my neck.", ">\n\nCome on! Can one creative/famous person keep it in their fucking pants and stop being shitty already?", ">\n\nHey that's not fair on half the famous people who aren't cishet men", ">\n\nI really wish the creators of shows that I love would stop doing this shit. I couldn't stomach another episode of \"Louie\" after C.K.'s behavior was outed, and Joss Whedon's catalogue is pretty unappealing to me these days, too.", ">\n\nOdd enough, his partner Dan Harmon had hands down the best mea culpa from when he lost his show 'Community' by being a total creep to one of the show writers. Actually sounded like he learned something and was making attempts to be a better person.\nMaybe Roiland can get some tips.\n(Though Harmon is still a bit of a mess himself)", ">\n\nWell Dan Harmon never faced felony charges. This is something that is deadly serious and goes beyond whatever the general public thinks about a redemption arc.", ">\n\nOh I was kind of being tongue in cheek there. The allegations against Roiland are FAR worse than what Harmon admitted to doing and he was in no way fully redeemed in my mind after said apology. Hence my comment saying he’s still a mess.", ">\n\nI'm not a fan boy or anything, but unless he has continued to exhibit the same shitty behavior he called himself out for in that apology, I don't see how an individual can take more responsibility for their own actions. That was a very thorough and well-thought apology. I don't see how you're capable of allowing anyone to be redeemed in your eyes if you set that kind of standard. I don't follow Dan Harmon, then or now, so maybe he has continued to be a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSome random thoughts but: I think it’s worth saying that redemption sometimes can require more than a well-worded apology and not being publicly caught with the same shitty behavior. \nIt’s tough because since we’re talking about a public person and him being “redeemed” in the eyes of people publicly, it can be hard for someone to know or trust that actual change has occurred and the same shitty behavior hasn’t just continued on privately. \nIt’s fairly similar to personal relationships in the sense that an apology where trust was broken usually isn’t enough - often redemption requires meaningful change, earning trust back, and sufficient time having passed. There are skilled manipulators out there who are really good at issuing apologies and acting like change has occurred, but then reverting to the same behavior and are maybe just smarter about not getting caught. That makes redemption harder to trust.\nAnd again, it’s different because we are talking a public figure and people who follow him and his work - But at the same time I think it’s reasonable if someone would need more time having passed without more evidence of shitty behavior, or some level of meaningful demonstration of change, before they’d feel the apology and change is valid enough for them to not feel uncomfortable with them and their work.", ">\n\nI understand all of that. But the person whom he has wronged has publicly forgiven him so I can only assume that it wasn’t under duress and that he has taken steps that she feels is sufficient. It’s odd to me that we don’t reject continuing to hold an action against someone who hasn’t personally wronged us as an individual when the impacted person has forgiven them. It’s just a punishment boner at that point.", ">\n\nExactly. You can't be more mad about something than the person it happened to.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. His older, fringe, cartoons were pretty gross/rapey.", ">\n\nDo you think the Doc and Marty short was a bit telling?", ">\n\nIt's crazy that this happened back in 2020 and we're only just now hearing about it", ">\n\nWell, sounds like he's a dickhead", ">\n\nI mean, if he's guilty... yes. \nIf he's not, then no?", ">\n\nYeah, but if it gets far enough that you get arrested and then fully charged with domestic violence, odds are he did it. It's a very hard crime to overcome even the level of evidence to justify filing a charge, never mind a conviction.", ">\n\nThe rex orange county dude just had a bunch of sexual assault charges dropped only like, 1 week ago, yet here everyone is acting like these charges are 100% proof that it happened.\nAnd every time that situation happens, everyone is all \"it's almost as if you're innocent until proven guilty\", yet here we are again, a comment thread of people acting like the jury has already convicted the dude.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty is for the state locking someone up in prison. While he may have been exonerated in court, I'm pretty fucking sure OJ Simpson did the crime, so I'm going to act accordingly. I'll continue judging people on a case by case basis, and my bar for evidence is a lot lower than the one required to lock someone in prison.\nYou're welcome to have Casey Anthony babysit your kids, I'm not gonna.", ">\n\nYeah and I absolutely guarantee you someone was out here making that exact same comment about the rex orange county dude", ">\n\nAnd I guarantee that someone thinks that letting Casey Anthony babysit is a good idea.\nInnocent until proven guilty is for criminal court. I'm not a judge and I'm not a jury. Me thinking someone did a crime doesn't put them in prison.", ">\n\nThe incident is 3 years old and charges were filed 2 years ago. Why are we just now hearing about this?", ">\n\nBecause the records were sealed.", ">\n\nAnd are still sealed. We don't know what he did, we don't know what evidence there is, all we know is he submitted a not guilty plea, a plea deal was offered, and a trial is scheduled.", ">\n\nWe do know what he has been charged with. \n\nNBC News obtained the criminal complaint in the case, which charges Roiland, 42, with one felony count of domestic battery with corporal injury and one felony count of false imprisonment by menace, violence, fraud and/or deceit. NBC News is the first to report publicly on the case.\n\nThese are very serious charges. Prosecutors normally wouldn’t file these charges unless they thought they could make a strong enough case in a trial to prove he is guilty.", ">\n\nYeah and it's known that he's an alcoholic. Not justifying it but there's a pattern of behavior and surrounding context that indicates he probably did do something particularly bad.", ">\n\nAll these mfs out here talking about how easy it is to get a defensive order have obviously never had to get one.", ">\n\nIn the US, a TRO costs nothing but a 45-minute trek to your local family court building. My ex took six orders out against me, with zero evidence and increasingly unbelievable backstories. All of them were dropped, but all of them were granted first. FWIW I had three orders against her, and the last one became a 12-month criminal restraining order. The facts won out in the end, and she has a criminal record.\nIf it was a valid order then more power to the woman involved. Nobody is going to simp for this guy if he turns out to be a shitbag. But the world learned a LOT about the ways people can abuse family court temporary restraining orders over the last couple of years.", ">\n\nI'm sorry that happened to you and while sometimes the system may be abused, it's a very common occurrence to have protective orders denied only for the requestor to end up dead.\nNot uncommon at all.", ">\n\nA court put in a TRO against my father-in-law for a vindictive, abusive ex-partner. Which is still in place because, as you said, in the past protective orders have been denied with awful results.\nAll that is to say, you can absolutely get a TRO much easier nowadays. No proof or evidence of injury required. So if you’ve had a hard time getting one, it likely varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction.", ">\n\nTo quote Bill Burr: there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman..... You just don't do it.", ">\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her. He could have the same charge for hitting a table. You can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.", ">\n\n\nDoesn’t say he hit her.\n\nThe charge says with corporal injury so he physically injured her somehow, hit, pushed, thrown object.\n\nYou can get a domestic violence charge for yelling.\n\nThat's extremely uncommon and usually because of what you are yelling, like threats of violence.", ">\n\nWow Dan Harmon’s best friend sucks in regards to women? Shocking.", ">\n\nDude's a self proclaimed maniac and alcoholic. He should get some help.", ">\n\n\"I will let you down, I will make you hurt\"", ">\n\nAw geez. It’s ok to like the art and not the artist right?", ">\n\nHate to break it to you but if we didnt follow that rule we wouldnt be able to listen to like half of the music out there", ">\n\nHonestly it's hard to enjoy music after you find out the artist is a shitty person.", ">\n\nThis actually happened quite awhile ago as I heard through friend of a friend, I kept wondering why I didn’t see anything on Reddit etc", ">\n\nFriend of a friend huh? That's never fishy....", ">\n\nI remember back in the early 2010s, I saw a comment on a Cracked article where a guy was saying a friend of a friend was an entertainment procurer for Hollywood types, and that Kevin Spacey was into some very weird shit. I laughed it off as hearsay at the time, but boy did that come back. So while I do take everything with a grain of salt, I'm less likely to completely dismiss things now, I guess.", ">\n\nFinally! I know someone close who dated him and she has terrible stories of him as a person. He's a POS just like you know who from Rick and Morty.", ">\n\nFucking Jerry", ">\n\nDidn’t he also throw the Game Grump’s computer out the window when they had him as a guest?", ">\n\nWhere did you hear that? What the grumps said on the Harmon episode was that they lost the footage somehow.", ">\n\nI mean Roiland throwing it out the window definitely contends as 'losing the footage somehow'.", ">\n\nWow, this happened years ago and was covered up for this long? Hollywood's 'fixer' system to sweep stuff like this under the rug is still going strong. Guy has made plenty of bank and started all kinds of new projects since these charges happened.", ">\n\nWell there’s a protective court order in place most likely because it’s a domestic violence charge and the identity of the victim is being kept secret.", ">\n\nYeah just imagine all those kids who shut down McDonalds trying to get the Szechuan sauce coming for you to protect their favorite cartoon creator!", ">\n\nIf he is guilty, then fuck him. If he is innocent, he is fucked already, cause many people will never believe he isn't guilty.", ">\n\nI can't believe this is the first time i'm hearing about this.", ">\n\nThis is why we can't have nice things.", ">\n\nYou can take the man out of Stockton but you can’t take the Stockton out of man", ">\n\nThey call it Stockton Syndrome.", ">\n\nI like Rick and morty but if he is convicted I’d also be ok if they quietly replaced that show with inside job", ">\n\nI'd be ok if they replaced it with Inside Job either way...", ">\n\nYeah it had the attitude of Rick and morty but with more thought and plot", ">\n\nYep, and there were some really deep cuts there if you have knowledge of 90s' conspiracy culture. Ah well. Freakin' Netflix.", ">\n\nEverything good I like is always stained by the behavior of its creators. It’s dark how many especially talented and smart people are just…bad", ">\n\nDon't assume allegations are true. Everyone deserves due process.", ">\n\nIs there any wiggle room for allowing for due process without people calling you an apologist?\nEven if 1% of accusations are false, those 1% don't deserve their life ripped apart by a liar.\nLike that young football prospect who was accused of rape and he had to get proof himself that it never happened. His life is ruined by a lie.", ">\n\nDude you must have replied to the wrong person, what the fuck? I have never messaged you.\nedit: this person responded to me but I think they meant to be in a different post. I got messages \"talking shit, defending a nerdy TV show\" and calling me a bunch of names lol\nu/lushbuilding_63 -- aaaand the account is gone. Maybe banned? odd", ">\n\nYou also wouldn’t be able to reply if you’d blocked them, nor would they be able to reply to you, so obviously they’re lying.\nEdit: They didn’t delete their account, they blocked you, which makes their account appear to vanish.", ">\n\nDude needs his meds. I’m outta here.", ">\n\nIt’s interesting to see the mental gymnastics ppl go through trying to defend his innocence…", ">\n\nSome of these comments are downright disgusting.", ">\n\nAs a victim of violence and abuse who then had abuser call police, have me arrested and then claim abuse.... I take every accusation as just that. \nAn accusation. \nMan is 100000% innocent until proven guilty.", ">\n\nWent through something similar. It was a complete mindf*ck, and totally agree. Skilled abusers are adept at making themselves appear the victim.", ">\n\nNever would have guessed the person who made Rick and Morty would ever face charges of domestic violence.", ">\n\nNot so High on Life now, are ya???", ">\n\nI dunno, there's zero details in the article on a case that's been ongoing for over two years. Everything is sealed. I'd think if this was an open and shut case, details would have already leaked. \nI'll hold off on breaking out my torch and pitchfork until more details come out.", ">\n\nHis fetish with incest and babies creeps me out too", ">\n\nPretty sure that’s Harmon", ">\n\nMilk Shake Duck strikes again.", ">\n\nThe creative process is wild", ">\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\nWill wait. This guy doesn't have a violent history, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt", ">\n\n\nThere are literally no details on what actually happened, just court orders and dates.\n\nA lot of that is currently sealed to protect the victim.", ">\n\nYes, that's why i said, \"would give him the benefit of the doubt.\" If you have no history of violence, i won't jump on a bandwagon of conclusions.", ">\n\nThings are serious enough that Justin has been offered a plea deal. You generally do not do so unless you're sure you have the evidence to convince a judge or jury.", ">\n\nA plea deal is also offered to accelerate a trial. Again, i will wait.\nEdit: it is not a conclusion, nor is it a reason to decide, right now", ">\n\nI been hearing for a minute now about him being a fucking creep towards young women I’m so happy this came so fast", ">\n\nI'm not defending this dude in any way-- but this particular story aside, we've got to change the conversation on domestic violence. You get a lot of people who laugh it off, and either think it's normal to experience violence or abuse in a relationship, or that accounts/stats are exaggerated (or that women can't be abusers, that's another weird extreme), and then you have people whose knee-jerk reaction is 'He/she hit their partner? END THEM! THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!'\nBoth of these are reductive. Obv. hurting or controlling people is wrong and dangerous, but, if all abusers are sick and twisted shits beyond redemption, where does recovery or self-healing come in? While many abusers simply are abusive people who enjoy and pursue the victim/victimizer dynamic, SO MUCH domestic violence is the result of alcohol abuse, it's staggering. Even a great, loving couple can have an esp. combative drunken night that results in screaming, violence, or worse. \nWith all the compromise and passive-aggression that accumulates in any relationship, even a 'healthy' one, drinking regularly with one's partner is a worrysome gambit.", ">\n\nInnocent until proven guilty. Court of public opinion is fucked", ">\n\nUgh, I hope it doesn’t disrupt the show. But it’s hard to not want to see him punished if found guilty. :(", ">\n\nThis is the most Reddit comment I've ever seen lmao", ">\n\nHahahaha aren’t these the guys that are proud of how drunk they are while do the show? Alcoholics almost always turn abusive.", ">\n\nI wouldn't say \"almost always\", but it is definitely much higher than someone who isn't an alcoholic.", ">\n\nIt's almost like you could guess that the creators of a self-absorbed nihilistic and sexist show are probably self-absorbed nihilistic sexists", ">\n\nDo you know what a nihilist is? That show is pretty far from it. Self absorbed and sexist you'll get no argument from me but nihilist gets thrown around quite a bit and it certainly doesn't apply here.", ">\n\nMy impression is nihilism is about meaninglessness", ">\n\nWell that’s not very cash money of him", ">\n\nShow is people yelling at each other. My son loves it. I don’t think it’s funny at all. Stressful to listen to.", ">\n\nI'm just here to watch the usual \"guilty until proven innocent\" comments.", ">\n\nGod dammit\nI know it's innocent until proven guilty and all that but it's gonna be hard watching Rick and Morty the same after hearing about this", ">\n\nUgh. We can’t have anything nice.", ">\n\nHuh I thought Harmon would be the one to scandal the show into oblivion. Roiland seemed to be the more stable of the two.\nI guess the show is fucked isn't he the voice of both Rick and Morty?", ">\n\nI'd have definitely picked Harmon as the abuser. He's a brilliant writer but a shit human. \nRoiland always seemed the more wholesome of the two.", ">\n\nYou mean the guy who literally can't perform his voice acting without being drunk or on drugs?", ">\n\nJust because you have to be sober to operate a forklift doesn’t mean creatives have to be sober.\nIf creatives had to be sober to work, we wouldn’t have much to enjoy.\n“Rrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs”\nEdit: Here come the puritans lol", ">\n\nHmm, I'm feeling less good about just finishing my High on Life playthrough now.", ">\n\nThere's an Easter egg that teases a sequel if you find it...not feeling too great about that right now. \nI hope he's innocent, but from the little I've seen it doesn't look good.", ">\n\nNot surprising, at all. \nI think Dan Harmon also made a \"film\" back in the day about fucking a baby. \nThere was always something off about both of them, and their cringe humor. \nI bet there are many, many MANY more skeletons in their closets. \nRick and Morty has sucked since the ending of season 2 anyway, so good riddance if this gets the show cancelled lol.", ">\n\nAs much as I love Rick and Morty, I wouldn't mind if they gave the show to someone else.", ">\n\nIf so many creators you love turn out to be a shithead, does that make you a shithead?", ">\n\n“No. You are not your father, Zagreus.”", ">\n\nWow. I'm in such shock. Who could have possibly thought.", ">\n\nI'm gonna need you to take these seeds into the bathroom, and I'm gonna need you to put them way up inside your butthole..", ">\n\nYou little shit! I thought you were having loud sex!", ">\n\nMaybe now it will be possible to find smoking accessories that aren't covered in this R&M trash.", ">\n\nIf you read the article, you would know that he appeared in court today and that the information just became public.", ">\n\nMy thoughts on this are two fold:\n1. What a POS (if accusations prove to be true), and I hope his victims are okay and get whatever help they need. Priority one. \n\nWhy do actors/producers/directors/writers/etc… keep doing this shit? It ultimately leads to the poisoning of good content. It leads to boycotts, defunding, legal issues, etc… and then whatever creation they contributed to is ruined. It’s rage inducing.\n\nEdit: I wanted to clarify both points are rage inducing, obviously the former more than latter.\nEdit2: As a commenter pointed out, I was originally assuming guilt, but there is no official verdict -- so qualifying my first statement.", ">\n\nWhy do people jump to conclusions so fast, innocent until proven guilty, what happened to a basic human right? \nRemember the heard vs depp case? They both can be viewed as shitty, but one lost alot over claims and no proof. \nI think people should wait for results", ">\n\nThat's fair, my statements are coming from the assumption he is guilty. I hope he's not -- but it's also not uncommon in that industry for guilty people to go unpunished, or victims to be dismissed.\nI was on Depp's \"side\" for the reasons you stated, although both Heard and Depp were shitty to one another, but Depp lost a lot from accusations alone. \nI'll clarify my first bullet point.", ">\n\n2020 3 years ago, what evidence is there?" ]

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[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic" ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!" ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches" ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄" ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot" ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"" ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on" ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)" ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)", ">\n\nI tried messaging my doctor about it but unfortunately it was intercepted by a nurse who said “it sounds like things have changed for you! You should schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss these changes.” I’m like no?? it’s literally the same medication but you just have to specify ozembic for a pre-diabetic instead of wegovy??" ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)", ">\n\nI tried messaging my doctor about it but unfortunately it was intercepted by a nurse who said “it sounds like things have changed for you! You should schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss these changes.” I’m like no?? it’s literally the same medication but you just have to specify ozembic for a pre-diabetic instead of wegovy??", ">\n\nThe idea that an insurance company or pharmacy can limit what your Doctor prescribes is probably one of the most insulting and criminal things. Period.\nIt’s gross in it’s conflict of interest for pharmaceutical companies to dictate anything about medical supplies. Because let’s be serious here, that is who is running this game. The whole American Healthcare system is run by these companies for no other reason than to make infinite money every year in perpetuity for their share/stakeholders. Patients, doctors, pharmacists be damned. It’s not to provide healthcare to people." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)", ">\n\nI tried messaging my doctor about it but unfortunately it was intercepted by a nurse who said “it sounds like things have changed for you! You should schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss these changes.” I’m like no?? it’s literally the same medication but you just have to specify ozembic for a pre-diabetic instead of wegovy??", ">\n\nThe idea that an insurance company or pharmacy can limit what your Doctor prescribes is probably one of the most insulting and criminal things. Period.\nIt’s gross in it’s conflict of interest for pharmaceutical companies to dictate anything about medical supplies. Because let’s be serious here, that is who is running this game. The whole American Healthcare system is run by these companies for no other reason than to make infinite money every year in perpetuity for their share/stakeholders. Patients, doctors, pharmacists be damned. It’s not to provide healthcare to people.", ">\n\nLack of universal health care w/o control by pharmacy and provider cartels is one of the top threats to the stability of the US. The entire nation becomes less healthy every year so where is Congress? Not being forced to act because it's hard, they have theirs and without it being an issue partisan propaganda loses a big deal. Citizens need to demand better." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)", ">\n\nI tried messaging my doctor about it but unfortunately it was intercepted by a nurse who said “it sounds like things have changed for you! You should schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss these changes.” I’m like no?? it’s literally the same medication but you just have to specify ozembic for a pre-diabetic instead of wegovy??", ">\n\nThe idea that an insurance company or pharmacy can limit what your Doctor prescribes is probably one of the most insulting and criminal things. Period.\nIt’s gross in it’s conflict of interest for pharmaceutical companies to dictate anything about medical supplies. Because let’s be serious here, that is who is running this game. The whole American Healthcare system is run by these companies for no other reason than to make infinite money every year in perpetuity for their share/stakeholders. Patients, doctors, pharmacists be damned. It’s not to provide healthcare to people.", ">\n\nLack of universal health care w/o control by pharmacy and provider cartels is one of the top threats to the stability of the US. The entire nation becomes less healthy every year so where is Congress? Not being forced to act because it's hard, they have theirs and without it being an issue partisan propaganda loses a big deal. Citizens need to demand better.", ">\n\nThere’s been several people in my bariatric surgery men’s support group online that have posted recommending Ozempic to help boost weight loss, and quite a few people have replied calling them selfish assholes for using it even after having WLS and making it hard to get for diabetics who actually need it." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)", ">\n\nI tried messaging my doctor about it but unfortunately it was intercepted by a nurse who said “it sounds like things have changed for you! You should schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss these changes.” I’m like no?? it’s literally the same medication but you just have to specify ozembic for a pre-diabetic instead of wegovy??", ">\n\nThe idea that an insurance company or pharmacy can limit what your Doctor prescribes is probably one of the most insulting and criminal things. Period.\nIt’s gross in it’s conflict of interest for pharmaceutical companies to dictate anything about medical supplies. Because let’s be serious here, that is who is running this game. The whole American Healthcare system is run by these companies for no other reason than to make infinite money every year in perpetuity for their share/stakeholders. Patients, doctors, pharmacists be damned. It’s not to provide healthcare to people.", ">\n\nLack of universal health care w/o control by pharmacy and provider cartels is one of the top threats to the stability of the US. The entire nation becomes less healthy every year so where is Congress? Not being forced to act because it's hard, they have theirs and without it being an issue partisan propaganda loses a big deal. Citizens need to demand better.", ">\n\nThere’s been several people in my bariatric surgery men’s support group online that have posted recommending Ozempic to help boost weight loss, and quite a few people have replied calling them selfish assholes for using it even after having WLS and making it hard to get for diabetics who actually need it.", ">\n\nof course, being overweight is a huge cause of type 2 diabetes so ....\nseems like a pretty appropriate use actually" ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)", ">\n\nI tried messaging my doctor about it but unfortunately it was intercepted by a nurse who said “it sounds like things have changed for you! You should schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss these changes.” I’m like no?? it’s literally the same medication but you just have to specify ozembic for a pre-diabetic instead of wegovy??", ">\n\nThe idea that an insurance company or pharmacy can limit what your Doctor prescribes is probably one of the most insulting and criminal things. Period.\nIt’s gross in it’s conflict of interest for pharmaceutical companies to dictate anything about medical supplies. Because let’s be serious here, that is who is running this game. The whole American Healthcare system is run by these companies for no other reason than to make infinite money every year in perpetuity for their share/stakeholders. Patients, doctors, pharmacists be damned. It’s not to provide healthcare to people.", ">\n\nLack of universal health care w/o control by pharmacy and provider cartels is one of the top threats to the stability of the US. The entire nation becomes less healthy every year so where is Congress? Not being forced to act because it's hard, they have theirs and without it being an issue partisan propaganda loses a big deal. Citizens need to demand better.", ">\n\nThere’s been several people in my bariatric surgery men’s support group online that have posted recommending Ozempic to help boost weight loss, and quite a few people have replied calling them selfish assholes for using it even after having WLS and making it hard to get for diabetics who actually need it.", ">\n\nof course, being overweight is a huge cause of type 2 diabetes so ....\nseems like a pretty appropriate use actually", ">\n\nI'm an obesity and weight management scientist. It's a fantastic use. All of this family of drugs are going to be used primarily for weight management in the future. We have way less effective interventions for obesity than diabetes, and for the majority (but certainly not all) it will reduce the number of new cases of diabetes." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)", ">\n\nI tried messaging my doctor about it but unfortunately it was intercepted by a nurse who said “it sounds like things have changed for you! You should schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss these changes.” I’m like no?? it’s literally the same medication but you just have to specify ozembic for a pre-diabetic instead of wegovy??", ">\n\nThe idea that an insurance company or pharmacy can limit what your Doctor prescribes is probably one of the most insulting and criminal things. Period.\nIt’s gross in it’s conflict of interest for pharmaceutical companies to dictate anything about medical supplies. Because let’s be serious here, that is who is running this game. The whole American Healthcare system is run by these companies for no other reason than to make infinite money every year in perpetuity for their share/stakeholders. Patients, doctors, pharmacists be damned. It’s not to provide healthcare to people.", ">\n\nLack of universal health care w/o control by pharmacy and provider cartels is one of the top threats to the stability of the US. The entire nation becomes less healthy every year so where is Congress? Not being forced to act because it's hard, they have theirs and without it being an issue partisan propaganda loses a big deal. Citizens need to demand better.", ">\n\nThere’s been several people in my bariatric surgery men’s support group online that have posted recommending Ozempic to help boost weight loss, and quite a few people have replied calling them selfish assholes for using it even after having WLS and making it hard to get for diabetics who actually need it.", ">\n\nof course, being overweight is a huge cause of type 2 diabetes so ....\nseems like a pretty appropriate use actually", ">\n\nI'm an obesity and weight management scientist. It's a fantastic use. All of this family of drugs are going to be used primarily for weight management in the future. We have way less effective interventions for obesity than diabetes, and for the majority (but certainly not all) it will reduce the number of new cases of diabetes.", ">\n\nIt's too bad they are all 800 to 1k a month atm." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)", ">\n\nI tried messaging my doctor about it but unfortunately it was intercepted by a nurse who said “it sounds like things have changed for you! You should schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss these changes.” I’m like no?? it’s literally the same medication but you just have to specify ozembic for a pre-diabetic instead of wegovy??", ">\n\nThe idea that an insurance company or pharmacy can limit what your Doctor prescribes is probably one of the most insulting and criminal things. Period.\nIt’s gross in it’s conflict of interest for pharmaceutical companies to dictate anything about medical supplies. Because let’s be serious here, that is who is running this game. The whole American Healthcare system is run by these companies for no other reason than to make infinite money every year in perpetuity for their share/stakeholders. Patients, doctors, pharmacists be damned. It’s not to provide healthcare to people.", ">\n\nLack of universal health care w/o control by pharmacy and provider cartels is one of the top threats to the stability of the US. The entire nation becomes less healthy every year so where is Congress? Not being forced to act because it's hard, they have theirs and without it being an issue partisan propaganda loses a big deal. Citizens need to demand better.", ">\n\nThere’s been several people in my bariatric surgery men’s support group online that have posted recommending Ozempic to help boost weight loss, and quite a few people have replied calling them selfish assholes for using it even after having WLS and making it hard to get for diabetics who actually need it.", ">\n\nof course, being overweight is a huge cause of type 2 diabetes so ....\nseems like a pretty appropriate use actually", ">\n\nI'm an obesity and weight management scientist. It's a fantastic use. All of this family of drugs are going to be used primarily for weight management in the future. We have way less effective interventions for obesity than diabetes, and for the majority (but certainly not all) it will reduce the number of new cases of diabetes.", ">\n\nIt's too bad they are all 800 to 1k a month atm.", ">\n\nMy doctor actually just recommended ozempic for me to try for weight loss. It was $2000 with my insurance so we went with metformin and it’s $7. It’s been working well for me as a appetite suppressant." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)", ">\n\nI tried messaging my doctor about it but unfortunately it was intercepted by a nurse who said “it sounds like things have changed for you! You should schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss these changes.” I’m like no?? it’s literally the same medication but you just have to specify ozembic for a pre-diabetic instead of wegovy??", ">\n\nThe idea that an insurance company or pharmacy can limit what your Doctor prescribes is probably one of the most insulting and criminal things. Period.\nIt’s gross in it’s conflict of interest for pharmaceutical companies to dictate anything about medical supplies. Because let’s be serious here, that is who is running this game. The whole American Healthcare system is run by these companies for no other reason than to make infinite money every year in perpetuity for their share/stakeholders. Patients, doctors, pharmacists be damned. It’s not to provide healthcare to people.", ">\n\nLack of universal health care w/o control by pharmacy and provider cartels is one of the top threats to the stability of the US. The entire nation becomes less healthy every year so where is Congress? Not being forced to act because it's hard, they have theirs and without it being an issue partisan propaganda loses a big deal. Citizens need to demand better.", ">\n\nThere’s been several people in my bariatric surgery men’s support group online that have posted recommending Ozempic to help boost weight loss, and quite a few people have replied calling them selfish assholes for using it even after having WLS and making it hard to get for diabetics who actually need it.", ">\n\nof course, being overweight is a huge cause of type 2 diabetes so ....\nseems like a pretty appropriate use actually", ">\n\nI'm an obesity and weight management scientist. It's a fantastic use. All of this family of drugs are going to be used primarily for weight management in the future. We have way less effective interventions for obesity than diabetes, and for the majority (but certainly not all) it will reduce the number of new cases of diabetes.", ">\n\nIt's too bad they are all 800 to 1k a month atm.", ">\n\nMy doctor actually just recommended ozempic for me to try for weight loss. It was $2000 with my insurance so we went with metformin and it’s $7. It’s been working well for me as a appetite suppressant.", ">\n\nOn the bright side, metformin has been shown to have anti cancer and anti-aging effects in humans.\nSource - NCBI\nSource - Harvard" ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)", ">\n\nI tried messaging my doctor about it but unfortunately it was intercepted by a nurse who said “it sounds like things have changed for you! You should schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss these changes.” I’m like no?? it’s literally the same medication but you just have to specify ozembic for a pre-diabetic instead of wegovy??", ">\n\nThe idea that an insurance company or pharmacy can limit what your Doctor prescribes is probably one of the most insulting and criminal things. Period.\nIt’s gross in it’s conflict of interest for pharmaceutical companies to dictate anything about medical supplies. Because let’s be serious here, that is who is running this game. The whole American Healthcare system is run by these companies for no other reason than to make infinite money every year in perpetuity for their share/stakeholders. Patients, doctors, pharmacists be damned. It’s not to provide healthcare to people.", ">\n\nLack of universal health care w/o control by pharmacy and provider cartels is one of the top threats to the stability of the US. The entire nation becomes less healthy every year so where is Congress? Not being forced to act because it's hard, they have theirs and without it being an issue partisan propaganda loses a big deal. Citizens need to demand better.", ">\n\nThere’s been several people in my bariatric surgery men’s support group online that have posted recommending Ozempic to help boost weight loss, and quite a few people have replied calling them selfish assholes for using it even after having WLS and making it hard to get for diabetics who actually need it.", ">\n\nof course, being overweight is a huge cause of type 2 diabetes so ....\nseems like a pretty appropriate use actually", ">\n\nI'm an obesity and weight management scientist. It's a fantastic use. All of this family of drugs are going to be used primarily for weight management in the future. We have way less effective interventions for obesity than diabetes, and for the majority (but certainly not all) it will reduce the number of new cases of diabetes.", ">\n\nIt's too bad they are all 800 to 1k a month atm.", ">\n\nMy doctor actually just recommended ozempic for me to try for weight loss. It was $2000 with my insurance so we went with metformin and it’s $7. It’s been working well for me as a appetite suppressant.", ">\n\nOn the bright side, metformin has been shown to have anti cancer and anti-aging effects in humans.\nSource - NCBI\nSource - Harvard", ">\n\nApologies for being that person, but my dad is an example of the flip side of this. He'd been taking Metformin, and it damaged his kidneys. Worse, his doctor had noticed signs of kidney failure and didn't communicate that to him, so they kept prescribing it to him.\nHis doctor retired, and the new one saw all of this in his chart and immediately stopped the Metformin. By that point, it was stage 4. My dad is now on dialysis with 10% kidney function." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)", ">\n\nI tried messaging my doctor about it but unfortunately it was intercepted by a nurse who said “it sounds like things have changed for you! You should schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss these changes.” I’m like no?? it’s literally the same medication but you just have to specify ozembic for a pre-diabetic instead of wegovy??", ">\n\nThe idea that an insurance company or pharmacy can limit what your Doctor prescribes is probably one of the most insulting and criminal things. Period.\nIt’s gross in it’s conflict of interest for pharmaceutical companies to dictate anything about medical supplies. Because let’s be serious here, that is who is running this game. The whole American Healthcare system is run by these companies for no other reason than to make infinite money every year in perpetuity for their share/stakeholders. Patients, doctors, pharmacists be damned. It’s not to provide healthcare to people.", ">\n\nLack of universal health care w/o control by pharmacy and provider cartels is one of the top threats to the stability of the US. The entire nation becomes less healthy every year so where is Congress? Not being forced to act because it's hard, they have theirs and without it being an issue partisan propaganda loses a big deal. Citizens need to demand better.", ">\n\nThere’s been several people in my bariatric surgery men’s support group online that have posted recommending Ozempic to help boost weight loss, and quite a few people have replied calling them selfish assholes for using it even after having WLS and making it hard to get for diabetics who actually need it.", ">\n\nof course, being overweight is a huge cause of type 2 diabetes so ....\nseems like a pretty appropriate use actually", ">\n\nI'm an obesity and weight management scientist. It's a fantastic use. All of this family of drugs are going to be used primarily for weight management in the future. We have way less effective interventions for obesity than diabetes, and for the majority (but certainly not all) it will reduce the number of new cases of diabetes.", ">\n\nIt's too bad they are all 800 to 1k a month atm.", ">\n\nMy doctor actually just recommended ozempic for me to try for weight loss. It was $2000 with my insurance so we went with metformin and it’s $7. It’s been working well for me as a appetite suppressant.", ">\n\nOn the bright side, metformin has been shown to have anti cancer and anti-aging effects in humans.\nSource - NCBI\nSource - Harvard", ">\n\nApologies for being that person, but my dad is an example of the flip side of this. He'd been taking Metformin, and it damaged his kidneys. Worse, his doctor had noticed signs of kidney failure and didn't communicate that to him, so they kept prescribing it to him.\nHis doctor retired, and the new one saw all of this in his chart and immediately stopped the Metformin. By that point, it was stage 4. My dad is now on dialysis with 10% kidney function.", ">\n\nSorry to hear that. Sounds like he had a crap doctor." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)", ">\n\nI tried messaging my doctor about it but unfortunately it was intercepted by a nurse who said “it sounds like things have changed for you! You should schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss these changes.” I’m like no?? it’s literally the same medication but you just have to specify ozembic for a pre-diabetic instead of wegovy??", ">\n\nThe idea that an insurance company or pharmacy can limit what your Doctor prescribes is probably one of the most insulting and criminal things. Period.\nIt’s gross in it’s conflict of interest for pharmaceutical companies to dictate anything about medical supplies. Because let’s be serious here, that is who is running this game. The whole American Healthcare system is run by these companies for no other reason than to make infinite money every year in perpetuity for their share/stakeholders. Patients, doctors, pharmacists be damned. It’s not to provide healthcare to people.", ">\n\nLack of universal health care w/o control by pharmacy and provider cartels is one of the top threats to the stability of the US. The entire nation becomes less healthy every year so where is Congress? Not being forced to act because it's hard, they have theirs and without it being an issue partisan propaganda loses a big deal. Citizens need to demand better.", ">\n\nThere’s been several people in my bariatric surgery men’s support group online that have posted recommending Ozempic to help boost weight loss, and quite a few people have replied calling them selfish assholes for using it even after having WLS and making it hard to get for diabetics who actually need it.", ">\n\nof course, being overweight is a huge cause of type 2 diabetes so ....\nseems like a pretty appropriate use actually", ">\n\nI'm an obesity and weight management scientist. It's a fantastic use. All of this family of drugs are going to be used primarily for weight management in the future. We have way less effective interventions for obesity than diabetes, and for the majority (but certainly not all) it will reduce the number of new cases of diabetes.", ">\n\nIt's too bad they are all 800 to 1k a month atm.", ">\n\nMy doctor actually just recommended ozempic for me to try for weight loss. It was $2000 with my insurance so we went with metformin and it’s $7. It’s been working well for me as a appetite suppressant.", ">\n\nOn the bright side, metformin has been shown to have anti cancer and anti-aging effects in humans.\nSource - NCBI\nSource - Harvard", ">\n\nApologies for being that person, but my dad is an example of the flip side of this. He'd been taking Metformin, and it damaged his kidneys. Worse, his doctor had noticed signs of kidney failure and didn't communicate that to him, so they kept prescribing it to him.\nHis doctor retired, and the new one saw all of this in his chart and immediately stopped the Metformin. By that point, it was stage 4. My dad is now on dialysis with 10% kidney function.", ">\n\nSorry to hear that. Sounds like he had a crap doctor.", ">\n\nI am an obesity and weight management researcher. Although I have worked on studies involving diabetes, most of my work is explicitly focused on weight management, eating, and obesity rather than diabetes itself.\nBecause of that, my NIH funding comes through NIDDK, the institute focused on diabetes. Most researchers and clinicians are excited by being able to use this class of drugs for folks with obesity and overweight. It likely would have a bigger impact on diabetes than as a direct treatment for diabetes. The problem with finding them varies based on the specific drug but often relates to the actual delivery mechanism rather than the drug itself being in shortage. But that varies. The use for cosmetic reasons is very questionable, but also not likely to be a major driver of shortages.\nUnfortunately obesity (and to a lesser extent diabetes as well) is often treated as a moral failing like drug and alcohol abuse with people more focused on blaming the folks with it rather than on actual effective solutions. Not only is this unhelpful, but it also involves an extremely simplistic understanding of both the biological and behavioral factors involved. It's always so disheartening to see." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)", ">\n\nI tried messaging my doctor about it but unfortunately it was intercepted by a nurse who said “it sounds like things have changed for you! You should schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss these changes.” I’m like no?? it’s literally the same medication but you just have to specify ozembic for a pre-diabetic instead of wegovy??", ">\n\nThe idea that an insurance company or pharmacy can limit what your Doctor prescribes is probably one of the most insulting and criminal things. Period.\nIt’s gross in it’s conflict of interest for pharmaceutical companies to dictate anything about medical supplies. Because let’s be serious here, that is who is running this game. The whole American Healthcare system is run by these companies for no other reason than to make infinite money every year in perpetuity for their share/stakeholders. Patients, doctors, pharmacists be damned. It’s not to provide healthcare to people.", ">\n\nLack of universal health care w/o control by pharmacy and provider cartels is one of the top threats to the stability of the US. The entire nation becomes less healthy every year so where is Congress? Not being forced to act because it's hard, they have theirs and without it being an issue partisan propaganda loses a big deal. Citizens need to demand better.", ">\n\nThere’s been several people in my bariatric surgery men’s support group online that have posted recommending Ozempic to help boost weight loss, and quite a few people have replied calling them selfish assholes for using it even after having WLS and making it hard to get for diabetics who actually need it.", ">\n\nof course, being overweight is a huge cause of type 2 diabetes so ....\nseems like a pretty appropriate use actually", ">\n\nI'm an obesity and weight management scientist. It's a fantastic use. All of this family of drugs are going to be used primarily for weight management in the future. We have way less effective interventions for obesity than diabetes, and for the majority (but certainly not all) it will reduce the number of new cases of diabetes.", ">\n\nIt's too bad they are all 800 to 1k a month atm.", ">\n\nMy doctor actually just recommended ozempic for me to try for weight loss. It was $2000 with my insurance so we went with metformin and it’s $7. It’s been working well for me as a appetite suppressant.", ">\n\nOn the bright side, metformin has been shown to have anti cancer and anti-aging effects in humans.\nSource - NCBI\nSource - Harvard", ">\n\nApologies for being that person, but my dad is an example of the flip side of this. He'd been taking Metformin, and it damaged his kidneys. Worse, his doctor had noticed signs of kidney failure and didn't communicate that to him, so they kept prescribing it to him.\nHis doctor retired, and the new one saw all of this in his chart and immediately stopped the Metformin. By that point, it was stage 4. My dad is now on dialysis with 10% kidney function.", ">\n\nSorry to hear that. Sounds like he had a crap doctor.", ">\n\nI am an obesity and weight management researcher. Although I have worked on studies involving diabetes, most of my work is explicitly focused on weight management, eating, and obesity rather than diabetes itself.\nBecause of that, my NIH funding comes through NIDDK, the institute focused on diabetes. Most researchers and clinicians are excited by being able to use this class of drugs for folks with obesity and overweight. It likely would have a bigger impact on diabetes than as a direct treatment for diabetes. The problem with finding them varies based on the specific drug but often relates to the actual delivery mechanism rather than the drug itself being in shortage. But that varies. The use for cosmetic reasons is very questionable, but also not likely to be a major driver of shortages.\nUnfortunately obesity (and to a lesser extent diabetes as well) is often treated as a moral failing like drug and alcohol abuse with people more focused on blaming the folks with it rather than on actual effective solutions. Not only is this unhelpful, but it also involves an extremely simplistic understanding of both the biological and behavioral factors involved. It's always so disheartening to see.", ">\n\nJust look at some of the comments here alone. Many people saying “stop being lazy and move more” as opposed to accepting that obesity is out of many peoples control and some people are even genetically predisposed to be overweight. Ive seen and read about fecal transplants as a way to change the bacteria in your belly to help with obesity. \nFor many people it is not a matter of “move more, eat less”." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)", ">\n\nI tried messaging my doctor about it but unfortunately it was intercepted by a nurse who said “it sounds like things have changed for you! You should schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss these changes.” I’m like no?? it’s literally the same medication but you just have to specify ozembic for a pre-diabetic instead of wegovy??", ">\n\nThe idea that an insurance company or pharmacy can limit what your Doctor prescribes is probably one of the most insulting and criminal things. Period.\nIt’s gross in it’s conflict of interest for pharmaceutical companies to dictate anything about medical supplies. Because let’s be serious here, that is who is running this game. The whole American Healthcare system is run by these companies for no other reason than to make infinite money every year in perpetuity for their share/stakeholders. Patients, doctors, pharmacists be damned. It’s not to provide healthcare to people.", ">\n\nLack of universal health care w/o control by pharmacy and provider cartels is one of the top threats to the stability of the US. The entire nation becomes less healthy every year so where is Congress? Not being forced to act because it's hard, they have theirs and without it being an issue partisan propaganda loses a big deal. Citizens need to demand better.", ">\n\nThere’s been several people in my bariatric surgery men’s support group online that have posted recommending Ozempic to help boost weight loss, and quite a few people have replied calling them selfish assholes for using it even after having WLS and making it hard to get for diabetics who actually need it.", ">\n\nof course, being overweight is a huge cause of type 2 diabetes so ....\nseems like a pretty appropriate use actually", ">\n\nI'm an obesity and weight management scientist. It's a fantastic use. All of this family of drugs are going to be used primarily for weight management in the future. We have way less effective interventions for obesity than diabetes, and for the majority (but certainly not all) it will reduce the number of new cases of diabetes.", ">\n\nIt's too bad they are all 800 to 1k a month atm.", ">\n\nMy doctor actually just recommended ozempic for me to try for weight loss. It was $2000 with my insurance so we went with metformin and it’s $7. It’s been working well for me as a appetite suppressant.", ">\n\nOn the bright side, metformin has been shown to have anti cancer and anti-aging effects in humans.\nSource - NCBI\nSource - Harvard", ">\n\nApologies for being that person, but my dad is an example of the flip side of this. He'd been taking Metformin, and it damaged his kidneys. Worse, his doctor had noticed signs of kidney failure and didn't communicate that to him, so they kept prescribing it to him.\nHis doctor retired, and the new one saw all of this in his chart and immediately stopped the Metformin. By that point, it was stage 4. My dad is now on dialysis with 10% kidney function.", ">\n\nSorry to hear that. Sounds like he had a crap doctor.", ">\n\nI am an obesity and weight management researcher. Although I have worked on studies involving diabetes, most of my work is explicitly focused on weight management, eating, and obesity rather than diabetes itself.\nBecause of that, my NIH funding comes through NIDDK, the institute focused on diabetes. Most researchers and clinicians are excited by being able to use this class of drugs for folks with obesity and overweight. It likely would have a bigger impact on diabetes than as a direct treatment for diabetes. The problem with finding them varies based on the specific drug but often relates to the actual delivery mechanism rather than the drug itself being in shortage. But that varies. The use for cosmetic reasons is very questionable, but also not likely to be a major driver of shortages.\nUnfortunately obesity (and to a lesser extent diabetes as well) is often treated as a moral failing like drug and alcohol abuse with people more focused on blaming the folks with it rather than on actual effective solutions. Not only is this unhelpful, but it also involves an extremely simplistic understanding of both the biological and behavioral factors involved. It's always so disheartening to see.", ">\n\nJust look at some of the comments here alone. Many people saying “stop being lazy and move more” as opposed to accepting that obesity is out of many peoples control and some people are even genetically predisposed to be overweight. Ive seen and read about fecal transplants as a way to change the bacteria in your belly to help with obesity. \nFor many people it is not a matter of “move more, eat less”.", ">\n\nIdk I’m definitely aware that there are genetic factors and stuff but if people “move more and eat less” they will lose weight. Often times people just can’t control their cravings or don’t have the energy to move more. It can’t all be genetic, when we know for a fact that the rate of obesity has increased so quickly in America. This is why ultimately I think the blame falls on environmental factors and what are the environmental factors unique to America? Unbridled Capitalism, that is what I think is ultimately to blame. Overworked, tired people without enough money, hope, or free time." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)", ">\n\nI tried messaging my doctor about it but unfortunately it was intercepted by a nurse who said “it sounds like things have changed for you! You should schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss these changes.” I’m like no?? it’s literally the same medication but you just have to specify ozembic for a pre-diabetic instead of wegovy??", ">\n\nThe idea that an insurance company or pharmacy can limit what your Doctor prescribes is probably one of the most insulting and criminal things. Period.\nIt’s gross in it’s conflict of interest for pharmaceutical companies to dictate anything about medical supplies. Because let’s be serious here, that is who is running this game. The whole American Healthcare system is run by these companies for no other reason than to make infinite money every year in perpetuity for their share/stakeholders. Patients, doctors, pharmacists be damned. It’s not to provide healthcare to people.", ">\n\nLack of universal health care w/o control by pharmacy and provider cartels is one of the top threats to the stability of the US. The entire nation becomes less healthy every year so where is Congress? Not being forced to act because it's hard, they have theirs and without it being an issue partisan propaganda loses a big deal. Citizens need to demand better.", ">\n\nThere’s been several people in my bariatric surgery men’s support group online that have posted recommending Ozempic to help boost weight loss, and quite a few people have replied calling them selfish assholes for using it even after having WLS and making it hard to get for diabetics who actually need it.", ">\n\nof course, being overweight is a huge cause of type 2 diabetes so ....\nseems like a pretty appropriate use actually", ">\n\nI'm an obesity and weight management scientist. It's a fantastic use. All of this family of drugs are going to be used primarily for weight management in the future. We have way less effective interventions for obesity than diabetes, and for the majority (but certainly not all) it will reduce the number of new cases of diabetes.", ">\n\nIt's too bad they are all 800 to 1k a month atm.", ">\n\nMy doctor actually just recommended ozempic for me to try for weight loss. It was $2000 with my insurance so we went with metformin and it’s $7. It’s been working well for me as a appetite suppressant.", ">\n\nOn the bright side, metformin has been shown to have anti cancer and anti-aging effects in humans.\nSource - NCBI\nSource - Harvard", ">\n\nApologies for being that person, but my dad is an example of the flip side of this. He'd been taking Metformin, and it damaged his kidneys. Worse, his doctor had noticed signs of kidney failure and didn't communicate that to him, so they kept prescribing it to him.\nHis doctor retired, and the new one saw all of this in his chart and immediately stopped the Metformin. By that point, it was stage 4. My dad is now on dialysis with 10% kidney function.", ">\n\nSorry to hear that. Sounds like he had a crap doctor.", ">\n\nI am an obesity and weight management researcher. Although I have worked on studies involving diabetes, most of my work is explicitly focused on weight management, eating, and obesity rather than diabetes itself.\nBecause of that, my NIH funding comes through NIDDK, the institute focused on diabetes. Most researchers and clinicians are excited by being able to use this class of drugs for folks with obesity and overweight. It likely would have a bigger impact on diabetes than as a direct treatment for diabetes. The problem with finding them varies based on the specific drug but often relates to the actual delivery mechanism rather than the drug itself being in shortage. But that varies. The use for cosmetic reasons is very questionable, but also not likely to be a major driver of shortages.\nUnfortunately obesity (and to a lesser extent diabetes as well) is often treated as a moral failing like drug and alcohol abuse with people more focused on blaming the folks with it rather than on actual effective solutions. Not only is this unhelpful, but it also involves an extremely simplistic understanding of both the biological and behavioral factors involved. It's always so disheartening to see.", ">\n\nJust look at some of the comments here alone. Many people saying “stop being lazy and move more” as opposed to accepting that obesity is out of many peoples control and some people are even genetically predisposed to be overweight. Ive seen and read about fecal transplants as a way to change the bacteria in your belly to help with obesity. \nFor many people it is not a matter of “move more, eat less”.", ">\n\nIdk I’m definitely aware that there are genetic factors and stuff but if people “move more and eat less” they will lose weight. Often times people just can’t control their cravings or don’t have the energy to move more. It can’t all be genetic, when we know for a fact that the rate of obesity has increased so quickly in America. This is why ultimately I think the blame falls on environmental factors and what are the environmental factors unique to America? Unbridled Capitalism, that is what I think is ultimately to blame. Overworked, tired people without enough money, hope, or free time.", ">\n\nNo, you are right. At its simplest form, that is correct. Move more, eat less, lose weight. True. Honestly I am not arguing that. My point is that, for many people, that isn’t enough. You make a great point, maybe some people confuse genetically predisposed with environmental factors. Many people I know were raised that “growing boys eat more” or “dont leave until your plate is empty” and your plate is like 4 days worth of meals. This is ingrained into many peoples cultures and minds, creating bad habits that eventually become a families normal, which is then passed down, creating new generations of obese people who only know these habits. You make another good point; poor, tired, overworked people wanting fast easy meals. “I just worked 12 hours, i have $8, mcdonalds is right there…” which becomes a multiple time a week trip now. \nI believe these drugs are a great tool to add to the arsenal of weight loss changes. These drugs can help you get to a healthier base, and hopefully many of these people are creating new habits along with these weight loss tools, which ultimately will be what keeps the weight off. But i am all for using these drugs to help the obese population. Many of these people are already prediabetic, so why not stop the prediabetes before it becomes diabetes." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)", ">\n\nI tried messaging my doctor about it but unfortunately it was intercepted by a nurse who said “it sounds like things have changed for you! You should schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss these changes.” I’m like no?? it’s literally the same medication but you just have to specify ozembic for a pre-diabetic instead of wegovy??", ">\n\nThe idea that an insurance company or pharmacy can limit what your Doctor prescribes is probably one of the most insulting and criminal things. Period.\nIt’s gross in it’s conflict of interest for pharmaceutical companies to dictate anything about medical supplies. Because let’s be serious here, that is who is running this game. The whole American Healthcare system is run by these companies for no other reason than to make infinite money every year in perpetuity for their share/stakeholders. Patients, doctors, pharmacists be damned. It’s not to provide healthcare to people.", ">\n\nLack of universal health care w/o control by pharmacy and provider cartels is one of the top threats to the stability of the US. The entire nation becomes less healthy every year so where is Congress? Not being forced to act because it's hard, they have theirs and without it being an issue partisan propaganda loses a big deal. Citizens need to demand better.", ">\n\nThere’s been several people in my bariatric surgery men’s support group online that have posted recommending Ozempic to help boost weight loss, and quite a few people have replied calling them selfish assholes for using it even after having WLS and making it hard to get for diabetics who actually need it.", ">\n\nof course, being overweight is a huge cause of type 2 diabetes so ....\nseems like a pretty appropriate use actually", ">\n\nI'm an obesity and weight management scientist. It's a fantastic use. All of this family of drugs are going to be used primarily for weight management in the future. We have way less effective interventions for obesity than diabetes, and for the majority (but certainly not all) it will reduce the number of new cases of diabetes.", ">\n\nIt's too bad they are all 800 to 1k a month atm.", ">\n\nMy doctor actually just recommended ozempic for me to try for weight loss. It was $2000 with my insurance so we went with metformin and it’s $7. It’s been working well for me as a appetite suppressant.", ">\n\nOn the bright side, metformin has been shown to have anti cancer and anti-aging effects in humans.\nSource - NCBI\nSource - Harvard", ">\n\nApologies for being that person, but my dad is an example of the flip side of this. He'd been taking Metformin, and it damaged his kidneys. Worse, his doctor had noticed signs of kidney failure and didn't communicate that to him, so they kept prescribing it to him.\nHis doctor retired, and the new one saw all of this in his chart and immediately stopped the Metformin. By that point, it was stage 4. My dad is now on dialysis with 10% kidney function.", ">\n\nSorry to hear that. Sounds like he had a crap doctor.", ">\n\nI am an obesity and weight management researcher. Although I have worked on studies involving diabetes, most of my work is explicitly focused on weight management, eating, and obesity rather than diabetes itself.\nBecause of that, my NIH funding comes through NIDDK, the institute focused on diabetes. Most researchers and clinicians are excited by being able to use this class of drugs for folks with obesity and overweight. It likely would have a bigger impact on diabetes than as a direct treatment for diabetes. The problem with finding them varies based on the specific drug but often relates to the actual delivery mechanism rather than the drug itself being in shortage. But that varies. The use for cosmetic reasons is very questionable, but also not likely to be a major driver of shortages.\nUnfortunately obesity (and to a lesser extent diabetes as well) is often treated as a moral failing like drug and alcohol abuse with people more focused on blaming the folks with it rather than on actual effective solutions. Not only is this unhelpful, but it also involves an extremely simplistic understanding of both the biological and behavioral factors involved. It's always so disheartening to see.", ">\n\nJust look at some of the comments here alone. Many people saying “stop being lazy and move more” as opposed to accepting that obesity is out of many peoples control and some people are even genetically predisposed to be overweight. Ive seen and read about fecal transplants as a way to change the bacteria in your belly to help with obesity. \nFor many people it is not a matter of “move more, eat less”.", ">\n\nIdk I’m definitely aware that there are genetic factors and stuff but if people “move more and eat less” they will lose weight. Often times people just can’t control their cravings or don’t have the energy to move more. It can’t all be genetic, when we know for a fact that the rate of obesity has increased so quickly in America. This is why ultimately I think the blame falls on environmental factors and what are the environmental factors unique to America? Unbridled Capitalism, that is what I think is ultimately to blame. Overworked, tired people without enough money, hope, or free time.", ">\n\nNo, you are right. At its simplest form, that is correct. Move more, eat less, lose weight. True. Honestly I am not arguing that. My point is that, for many people, that isn’t enough. You make a great point, maybe some people confuse genetically predisposed with environmental factors. Many people I know were raised that “growing boys eat more” or “dont leave until your plate is empty” and your plate is like 4 days worth of meals. This is ingrained into many peoples cultures and minds, creating bad habits that eventually become a families normal, which is then passed down, creating new generations of obese people who only know these habits. You make another good point; poor, tired, overworked people wanting fast easy meals. “I just worked 12 hours, i have $8, mcdonalds is right there…” which becomes a multiple time a week trip now. \nI believe these drugs are a great tool to add to the arsenal of weight loss changes. These drugs can help you get to a healthier base, and hopefully many of these people are creating new habits along with these weight loss tools, which ultimately will be what keeps the weight off. But i am all for using these drugs to help the obese population. Many of these people are already prediabetic, so why not stop the prediabetes before it becomes diabetes.", ">\n\nTo add to this, a lot of people don’t realize that most obese people also intersect with poverty since cheap fatty/processed food is much cheaper and more readily available in a lot of poorer communities than fresh/healthy or unprocessed foods.\nUnless you live near farms in rural areas, most of the people in the same income bracket only have access to shitty food that forms shitty habits and creates more obese people." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)", ">\n\nI tried messaging my doctor about it but unfortunately it was intercepted by a nurse who said “it sounds like things have changed for you! You should schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss these changes.” I’m like no?? it’s literally the same medication but you just have to specify ozembic for a pre-diabetic instead of wegovy??", ">\n\nThe idea that an insurance company or pharmacy can limit what your Doctor prescribes is probably one of the most insulting and criminal things. Period.\nIt’s gross in it’s conflict of interest for pharmaceutical companies to dictate anything about medical supplies. Because let’s be serious here, that is who is running this game. The whole American Healthcare system is run by these companies for no other reason than to make infinite money every year in perpetuity for their share/stakeholders. Patients, doctors, pharmacists be damned. It’s not to provide healthcare to people.", ">\n\nLack of universal health care w/o control by pharmacy and provider cartels is one of the top threats to the stability of the US. The entire nation becomes less healthy every year so where is Congress? Not being forced to act because it's hard, they have theirs and without it being an issue partisan propaganda loses a big deal. Citizens need to demand better.", ">\n\nThere’s been several people in my bariatric surgery men’s support group online that have posted recommending Ozempic to help boost weight loss, and quite a few people have replied calling them selfish assholes for using it even after having WLS and making it hard to get for diabetics who actually need it.", ">\n\nof course, being overweight is a huge cause of type 2 diabetes so ....\nseems like a pretty appropriate use actually", ">\n\nI'm an obesity and weight management scientist. It's a fantastic use. All of this family of drugs are going to be used primarily for weight management in the future. We have way less effective interventions for obesity than diabetes, and for the majority (but certainly not all) it will reduce the number of new cases of diabetes.", ">\n\nIt's too bad they are all 800 to 1k a month atm.", ">\n\nMy doctor actually just recommended ozempic for me to try for weight loss. It was $2000 with my insurance so we went with metformin and it’s $7. It’s been working well for me as a appetite suppressant.", ">\n\nOn the bright side, metformin has been shown to have anti cancer and anti-aging effects in humans.\nSource - NCBI\nSource - Harvard", ">\n\nApologies for being that person, but my dad is an example of the flip side of this. He'd been taking Metformin, and it damaged his kidneys. Worse, his doctor had noticed signs of kidney failure and didn't communicate that to him, so they kept prescribing it to him.\nHis doctor retired, and the new one saw all of this in his chart and immediately stopped the Metformin. By that point, it was stage 4. My dad is now on dialysis with 10% kidney function.", ">\n\nSorry to hear that. Sounds like he had a crap doctor.", ">\n\nI am an obesity and weight management researcher. Although I have worked on studies involving diabetes, most of my work is explicitly focused on weight management, eating, and obesity rather than diabetes itself.\nBecause of that, my NIH funding comes through NIDDK, the institute focused on diabetes. Most researchers and clinicians are excited by being able to use this class of drugs for folks with obesity and overweight. It likely would have a bigger impact on diabetes than as a direct treatment for diabetes. The problem with finding them varies based on the specific drug but often relates to the actual delivery mechanism rather than the drug itself being in shortage. But that varies. The use for cosmetic reasons is very questionable, but also not likely to be a major driver of shortages.\nUnfortunately obesity (and to a lesser extent diabetes as well) is often treated as a moral failing like drug and alcohol abuse with people more focused on blaming the folks with it rather than on actual effective solutions. Not only is this unhelpful, but it also involves an extremely simplistic understanding of both the biological and behavioral factors involved. It's always so disheartening to see.", ">\n\nJust look at some of the comments here alone. Many people saying “stop being lazy and move more” as opposed to accepting that obesity is out of many peoples control and some people are even genetically predisposed to be overweight. Ive seen and read about fecal transplants as a way to change the bacteria in your belly to help with obesity. \nFor many people it is not a matter of “move more, eat less”.", ">\n\nIdk I’m definitely aware that there are genetic factors and stuff but if people “move more and eat less” they will lose weight. Often times people just can’t control their cravings or don’t have the energy to move more. It can’t all be genetic, when we know for a fact that the rate of obesity has increased so quickly in America. This is why ultimately I think the blame falls on environmental factors and what are the environmental factors unique to America? Unbridled Capitalism, that is what I think is ultimately to blame. Overworked, tired people without enough money, hope, or free time.", ">\n\nNo, you are right. At its simplest form, that is correct. Move more, eat less, lose weight. True. Honestly I am not arguing that. My point is that, for many people, that isn’t enough. You make a great point, maybe some people confuse genetically predisposed with environmental factors. Many people I know were raised that “growing boys eat more” or “dont leave until your plate is empty” and your plate is like 4 days worth of meals. This is ingrained into many peoples cultures and minds, creating bad habits that eventually become a families normal, which is then passed down, creating new generations of obese people who only know these habits. You make another good point; poor, tired, overworked people wanting fast easy meals. “I just worked 12 hours, i have $8, mcdonalds is right there…” which becomes a multiple time a week trip now. \nI believe these drugs are a great tool to add to the arsenal of weight loss changes. These drugs can help you get to a healthier base, and hopefully many of these people are creating new habits along with these weight loss tools, which ultimately will be what keeps the weight off. But i am all for using these drugs to help the obese population. Many of these people are already prediabetic, so why not stop the prediabetes before it becomes diabetes.", ">\n\nTo add to this, a lot of people don’t realize that most obese people also intersect with poverty since cheap fatty/processed food is much cheaper and more readily available in a lot of poorer communities than fresh/healthy or unprocessed foods.\nUnless you live near farms in rural areas, most of the people in the same income bracket only have access to shitty food that forms shitty habits and creates more obese people.", ">\n\nHonestly, living in a rural area near a farm (at least in the US) likely makes your food quality worse, not better. When there is nothing but corn and soy for miles around, your fresh veggies are just the leftovers from whatever city is closest.\nThe only real option there is to find someone with a large garden or to grow your own." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)", ">\n\nI tried messaging my doctor about it but unfortunately it was intercepted by a nurse who said “it sounds like things have changed for you! You should schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss these changes.” I’m like no?? it’s literally the same medication but you just have to specify ozembic for a pre-diabetic instead of wegovy??", ">\n\nThe idea that an insurance company or pharmacy can limit what your Doctor prescribes is probably one of the most insulting and criminal things. Period.\nIt’s gross in it’s conflict of interest for pharmaceutical companies to dictate anything about medical supplies. Because let’s be serious here, that is who is running this game. The whole American Healthcare system is run by these companies for no other reason than to make infinite money every year in perpetuity for their share/stakeholders. Patients, doctors, pharmacists be damned. It’s not to provide healthcare to people.", ">\n\nLack of universal health care w/o control by pharmacy and provider cartels is one of the top threats to the stability of the US. The entire nation becomes less healthy every year so where is Congress? Not being forced to act because it's hard, they have theirs and without it being an issue partisan propaganda loses a big deal. Citizens need to demand better.", ">\n\nThere’s been several people in my bariatric surgery men’s support group online that have posted recommending Ozempic to help boost weight loss, and quite a few people have replied calling them selfish assholes for using it even after having WLS and making it hard to get for diabetics who actually need it.", ">\n\nof course, being overweight is a huge cause of type 2 diabetes so ....\nseems like a pretty appropriate use actually", ">\n\nI'm an obesity and weight management scientist. It's a fantastic use. All of this family of drugs are going to be used primarily for weight management in the future. We have way less effective interventions for obesity than diabetes, and for the majority (but certainly not all) it will reduce the number of new cases of diabetes.", ">\n\nIt's too bad they are all 800 to 1k a month atm.", ">\n\nMy doctor actually just recommended ozempic for me to try for weight loss. It was $2000 with my insurance so we went with metformin and it’s $7. It’s been working well for me as a appetite suppressant.", ">\n\nOn the bright side, metformin has been shown to have anti cancer and anti-aging effects in humans.\nSource - NCBI\nSource - Harvard", ">\n\nApologies for being that person, but my dad is an example of the flip side of this. He'd been taking Metformin, and it damaged his kidneys. Worse, his doctor had noticed signs of kidney failure and didn't communicate that to him, so they kept prescribing it to him.\nHis doctor retired, and the new one saw all of this in his chart and immediately stopped the Metformin. By that point, it was stage 4. My dad is now on dialysis with 10% kidney function.", ">\n\nSorry to hear that. Sounds like he had a crap doctor.", ">\n\nI am an obesity and weight management researcher. Although I have worked on studies involving diabetes, most of my work is explicitly focused on weight management, eating, and obesity rather than diabetes itself.\nBecause of that, my NIH funding comes through NIDDK, the institute focused on diabetes. Most researchers and clinicians are excited by being able to use this class of drugs for folks with obesity and overweight. It likely would have a bigger impact on diabetes than as a direct treatment for diabetes. The problem with finding them varies based on the specific drug but often relates to the actual delivery mechanism rather than the drug itself being in shortage. But that varies. The use for cosmetic reasons is very questionable, but also not likely to be a major driver of shortages.\nUnfortunately obesity (and to a lesser extent diabetes as well) is often treated as a moral failing like drug and alcohol abuse with people more focused on blaming the folks with it rather than on actual effective solutions. Not only is this unhelpful, but it also involves an extremely simplistic understanding of both the biological and behavioral factors involved. It's always so disheartening to see.", ">\n\nJust look at some of the comments here alone. Many people saying “stop being lazy and move more” as opposed to accepting that obesity is out of many peoples control and some people are even genetically predisposed to be overweight. Ive seen and read about fecal transplants as a way to change the bacteria in your belly to help with obesity. \nFor many people it is not a matter of “move more, eat less”.", ">\n\nIdk I’m definitely aware that there are genetic factors and stuff but if people “move more and eat less” they will lose weight. Often times people just can’t control their cravings or don’t have the energy to move more. It can’t all be genetic, when we know for a fact that the rate of obesity has increased so quickly in America. This is why ultimately I think the blame falls on environmental factors and what are the environmental factors unique to America? Unbridled Capitalism, that is what I think is ultimately to blame. Overworked, tired people without enough money, hope, or free time.", ">\n\nNo, you are right. At its simplest form, that is correct. Move more, eat less, lose weight. True. Honestly I am not arguing that. My point is that, for many people, that isn’t enough. You make a great point, maybe some people confuse genetically predisposed with environmental factors. Many people I know were raised that “growing boys eat more” or “dont leave until your plate is empty” and your plate is like 4 days worth of meals. This is ingrained into many peoples cultures and minds, creating bad habits that eventually become a families normal, which is then passed down, creating new generations of obese people who only know these habits. You make another good point; poor, tired, overworked people wanting fast easy meals. “I just worked 12 hours, i have $8, mcdonalds is right there…” which becomes a multiple time a week trip now. \nI believe these drugs are a great tool to add to the arsenal of weight loss changes. These drugs can help you get to a healthier base, and hopefully many of these people are creating new habits along with these weight loss tools, which ultimately will be what keeps the weight off. But i am all for using these drugs to help the obese population. Many of these people are already prediabetic, so why not stop the prediabetes before it becomes diabetes.", ">\n\nTo add to this, a lot of people don’t realize that most obese people also intersect with poverty since cheap fatty/processed food is much cheaper and more readily available in a lot of poorer communities than fresh/healthy or unprocessed foods.\nUnless you live near farms in rural areas, most of the people in the same income bracket only have access to shitty food that forms shitty habits and creates more obese people.", ">\n\nHonestly, living in a rural area near a farm (at least in the US) likely makes your food quality worse, not better. When there is nothing but corn and soy for miles around, your fresh veggies are just the leftovers from whatever city is closest.\nThe only real option there is to find someone with a large garden or to grow your own.", ">\n\nIf you live out in a rural area surrounded by farms there's a good chance the only store for a long ways around is a Dollar General or Family Dollar and whatever produce or whatever is growing around you isn't even being sold there." ]

[ "I'm guessing this is why my doctor was asking me yesterday whether my pharmacy was having difficulty delivering my trulicity to me. I had a three month supply so I haven't had to fill it lately. Here's hoping I can get it when I need it.", ">\n\nI'm on ozempic, my pharmacy gives me a month's supply even though it's supposed to be 3 months. The hassle between them and insurance has been epic", ">\n\nI’m not on ozempic but it really is fucked how any step of the process can just override your doctor and say nope! This is all you’re getting! Or just refuse to dispense/cover a drug at all, even if they’re not supposed to. Appeals and bureaucracy don’t mean shit when you need your medicine TODAY.", ">\n\nI’ve had a wicked cough going back to November. My doc prescribed me a couple drugs to help and he wrote the scrip for the generic versions. Get to the pharmacy and learn my insurance doesn’t cover generic. I had a wtf moment. I’ve ordered generic through them in the past with no problems and can’t figure out why they are forcing us to spend more money on the branded stuff.", ">\n\nThat's so bizarre when my insurance for example will not pay for brand at all. you're paying essentially cash unless the only reason is that the generic is unavailable. why would anyone pay a penny more for \"brand\" chemicals??? I get that sometimes there are weird time release systems, or anti-abuse mechanisms such as with ADHD meds, but in most cases it's like paying $100 more for baking soda because it's \"Moderna Sodalite\" brand baking soda, now in 4 yummy colors!", ">\n\nThat’s where I’m confused. Why are they forcing us to pay for a higher cost item? Makes no sense.", ">\n\nBecause that fattens the wallets of the board and shareholders of “higher cost item’s” company. \nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.", ">\n\n\nPrivatize it already. Healthcare should never have been allowed to be treated like a fucking commodity in the first place.\n\nThe same standard should apply to ANYTHING required (in the medical sense, not in the consumerist societal sense) to live. The basic minimums should not be commodities that earn a profit.\nThose basic minimums should only be able to charge a regulated cost that covers absolutely no profit anywhere in the entire chain.\nIf a person wants more than the basic minimums, then of course they should have the choice to pay for those.", ">\n\nI was on a migraine medication that is also popular for weight loss. I did lose a lot of weight, which wasn't bad but I also would sometimes not feel my nose, had weird out of body feelings sometimes and boughts of nausea. Finally stopped taking it because I realized it really did live up to its nickname dopamax.", ">\n\nOh God Topomax is awful. I have been on that in the past and it really does affect your memory and cognition.", ">\n\nSame with Sumatriptan.", ">\n\nSumatriptan is a nasty drug. Temporary relief that builds into rebound headaches when you take it too often.", ">\n\nSumatriptan, rebound headaches are the worst! Sumatriptan - Imitrex does work great with minimal side effects but you have to be very careful with it and only take a small dose in frequent if you don’t want those horrid rebound headaches", ">\n\nI've had severe migraines since I was a small child (34 now) and I've tried basically all the anti-migraine drugs in existence. The only thing that works for me - without side effects that are basically just as bad as the migraine itself - is to quickly realize I'm about to have one and take 3 Excedrin within minutes of first starting to feel the pressure behind my eyes. It's a short window, and if I miss it, the Excedrin can't really do much. I guess it interrupts whatever cascade of events turns into a migraine. Excedrin is just acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine, so I'm not sure how it does it, but it works for me.\nMy headaches were so bad when I was a kid that I used to vomit and then pass out from the pain, and the funny part is they came on a schedule (around 2pm every Tuesday) so I guess they were technically cluster headaches. I'm just glad puberty made them less severe, although they're pretty random now so I can't schedule around them.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome Excedrin will work for you. I tried it, and it made no difference. But I agree like taking it within a small window when you just start to feel it is key. That’s key for whether it’s Excedrin, or sumatriptan.\nOne good thing about getting into my early 40s my migraines are much less severe than when I was younger.", ">\n\nI used to laugh when people would tell me to take that for my headaches. When one starts if I don’t catch it I’m doomed. The neurologist looked surprised when I told him they last about 11 hours. Sometimes I think he should retire.🙄", ">\n\nOh man, it’s the worst when medical professionals don’t understand migraines and are dismissive. There’s hardly anything worse than an extreme migraine. Even a basic migraine that I don’t catch soon enough with medication will cause me a days worth of debilitating pain, nausea, and wearing my sunglasses because of light sensitivity.", ">\n\nI got a migraine after taking a physical exam with a new sinus infection that I hadn’t caught on to yet. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, I took about 30 minutes to try to relax and catch my breath before getting in my car, and still had to pull over once I got out of the parking lot", ">\n\narticles like this will increase the popularity of Ozempic as a weight loss drug. The irony.", ">\n\nWell they mention it like 10x during commercials, so seems to be the plan. How else they gonna be able to overcharge and things like that.", ">\n\nReally, the commercials I see for it don't mention what it does - it even makes a point of not telling you. I find these ads should be outlawed, if you advertise a medical product you should be required to disclose what's it's used for. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing. And of course I cannot find these ads now.", ">\n\nCanada has laws against drug advertisements, which the drug companies get around by not telling you what it does and saying to simply \"ask your doctor about it\".\nPersonally, I think that all drug advertisements to the general public should be illegal. Including the ones using this loophole. Let the doctors worry about which drugs their patients should be on, and don't advertise directly to the patients at all. \nCanada has the right idea, but the law doesn't go far enough.", ">\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\nAlso why I've turned to 'alternative sources: for TV.\nI'm not going to ask my doctor about drugs - that's his job. I bring the symptom, he brings the cure. Nothing else needs to be said.", ">\n\n\nAbsolutely. I'm tired of watching a show and being bombarded by drug ads for 10 minutes every time and their 500 side effects.\n\nOh, man. That reminds me of one I saw a while back where listing the side effects took longer than the actual ad. Who sees something like that and thinks, \"Yeah, that sounds like something to talk to my doctor about!\"", ">\n\nIt's when they say 'other cancers and death have been observed' that you think...'hmm...maybe ill just stick with what i've got'.", ">\n\nFyi for anyone on ozempic struggling to get it, I manage a pharmacy and one of the reps came and talked to me a few days ago. They’ve supposedly greatly increased their ability to manufacture the product and expect the shortages to be just about fully resolved. 2 of the strengths are “order only” so will only ship with a valid script, the other is in full distribution, can’t remember which dose that was though. But hopefully they’ve resolved most of their issues. Carry on", ">\n\nThey've been saying this since I was originally prescribed it last June. I ended up being put on an earlier version, Saxenda (Liraglutide) until it \"became available again\". I will believe it when I see it.", ">\n\nWegovy’s site says they should be open/distributing to most retail pharmacies. Try calling them, especially cvs, which apparently has a special thing with them or something idk.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunately where my script has been sitting for six months lol. Probably need a new one at this point. But there’s always Terzepitide!! (The newest of the class of drugs, name brand Mounjaro)", ">\n\nI tried messaging my doctor about it but unfortunately it was intercepted by a nurse who said “it sounds like things have changed for you! You should schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss these changes.” I’m like no?? it’s literally the same medication but you just have to specify ozembic for a pre-diabetic instead of wegovy??", ">\n\nThe idea that an insurance company or pharmacy can limit what your Doctor prescribes is probably one of the most insulting and criminal things. Period.\nIt’s gross in it’s conflict of interest for pharmaceutical companies to dictate anything about medical supplies. Because let’s be serious here, that is who is running this game. The whole American Healthcare system is run by these companies for no other reason than to make infinite money every year in perpetuity for their share/stakeholders. Patients, doctors, pharmacists be damned. It’s not to provide healthcare to people.", ">\n\nLack of universal health care w/o control by pharmacy and provider cartels is one of the top threats to the stability of the US. The entire nation becomes less healthy every year so where is Congress? Not being forced to act because it's hard, they have theirs and without it being an issue partisan propaganda loses a big deal. Citizens need to demand better.", ">\n\nThere’s been several people in my bariatric surgery men’s support group online that have posted recommending Ozempic to help boost weight loss, and quite a few people have replied calling them selfish assholes for using it even after having WLS and making it hard to get for diabetics who actually need it.", ">\n\nof course, being overweight is a huge cause of type 2 diabetes so ....\nseems like a pretty appropriate use actually", ">\n\nI'm an obesity and weight management scientist. It's a fantastic use. All of this family of drugs are going to be used primarily for weight management in the future. We have way less effective interventions for obesity than diabetes, and for the majority (but certainly not all) it will reduce the number of new cases of diabetes.", ">\n\nIt's too bad they are all 800 to 1k a month atm.", ">\n\nMy doctor actually just recommended ozempic for me to try for weight loss. It was $2000 with my insurance so we went with metformin and it’s $7. It’s been working well for me as a appetite suppressant.", ">\n\nOn the bright side, metformin has been shown to have anti cancer and anti-aging effects in humans.\nSource - NCBI\nSource - Harvard", ">\n\nApologies for being that person, but my dad is an example of the flip side of this. He'd been taking Metformin, and it damaged his kidneys. Worse, his doctor had noticed signs of kidney failure and didn't communicate that to him, so they kept prescribing it to him.\nHis doctor retired, and the new one saw all of this in his chart and immediately stopped the Metformin. By that point, it was stage 4. My dad is now on dialysis with 10% kidney function.", ">\n\nSorry to hear that. Sounds like he had a crap doctor.", ">\n\nI am an obesity and weight management researcher. Although I have worked on studies involving diabetes, most of my work is explicitly focused on weight management, eating, and obesity rather than diabetes itself.\nBecause of that, my NIH funding comes through NIDDK, the institute focused on diabetes. Most researchers and clinicians are excited by being able to use this class of drugs for folks with obesity and overweight. It likely would have a bigger impact on diabetes than as a direct treatment for diabetes. The problem with finding them varies based on the specific drug but often relates to the actual delivery mechanism rather than the drug itself being in shortage. But that varies. The use for cosmetic reasons is very questionable, but also not likely to be a major driver of shortages.\nUnfortunately obesity (and to a lesser extent diabetes as well) is often treated as a moral failing like drug and alcohol abuse with people more focused on blaming the folks with it rather than on actual effective solutions. Not only is this unhelpful, but it also involves an extremely simplistic understanding of both the biological and behavioral factors involved. It's always so disheartening to see.", ">\n\nJust look at some of the comments here alone. Many people saying “stop being lazy and move more” as opposed to accepting that obesity is out of many peoples control and some people are even genetically predisposed to be overweight. Ive seen and read about fecal transplants as a way to change the bacteria in your belly to help with obesity. \nFor many people it is not a matter of “move more, eat less”.", ">\n\nIdk I’m definitely aware that there are genetic factors and stuff but if people “move more and eat less” they will lose weight. Often times people just can’t control their cravings or don’t have the energy to move more. It can’t all be genetic, when we know for a fact that the rate of obesity has increased so quickly in America. This is why ultimately I think the blame falls on environmental factors and what are the environmental factors unique to America? Unbridled Capitalism, that is what I think is ultimately to blame. Overworked, tired people without enough money, hope, or free time.", ">\n\nNo, you are right. At its simplest form, that is correct. Move more, eat less, lose weight. True. Honestly I am not arguing that. My point is that, for many people, that isn’t enough. You make a great point, maybe some people confuse genetically predisposed with environmental factors. Many people I know were raised that “growing boys eat more” or “dont leave until your plate is empty” and your plate is like 4 days worth of meals. This is ingrained into many peoples cultures and minds, creating bad habits that eventually become a families normal, which is then passed down, creating new generations of obese people who only know these habits. You make another good point; poor, tired, overworked people wanting fast easy meals. “I just worked 12 hours, i have $8, mcdonalds is right there…” which becomes a multiple time a week trip now. \nI believe these drugs are a great tool to add to the arsenal of weight loss changes. These drugs can help you get to a healthier base, and hopefully many of these people are creating new habits along with these weight loss tools, which ultimately will be what keeps the weight off. But i am all for using these drugs to help the obese population. Many of these people are already prediabetic, so why not stop the prediabetes before it becomes diabetes.", ">\n\nTo add to this, a lot of people don’t realize that most obese people also intersect with poverty since cheap fatty/processed food is much cheaper and more readily available in a lot of poorer communities than fresh/healthy or unprocessed foods.\nUnless you live near farms in rural areas, most of the people in the same income bracket only have access to shitty food that forms shitty habits and creates more obese people.", ">\n\nHonestly, living in a rural area near a farm (at least in the US) likely makes your food quality worse, not better. When there is nothing but corn and soy for miles around, your fresh veggies are just the leftovers from whatever city is closest.\nThe only real option there is to find someone with a large garden or to grow your own.", ">\n\nIf you live out in a rural area surrounded by farms there's a good chance the only store for a long ways around is a Dollar General or Family Dollar and whatever produce or whatever is growing around you isn't even being sold there.", ">\n\nI'm Canadian, so we don't get a lot of drug commercials the way that the US does, but even cinemas here have started showing Ozempic ads before the film. It's insane the hold this drug has on people." ]