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I went to school in Oklahoma and we did not do wall squats ever. Probably not super appropriate for little kids. | [
"In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.",
">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”",
">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting",
">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences",
">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher",
">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!",
">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.",
">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.",
">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?",
">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.",
">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.",
">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.",
">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.",
">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.",
">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.",
">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.",
">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.",
">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?",
">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?",
">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!",
">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.",
">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.",
">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.",
">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.",
">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.",
">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.",
">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.",
">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.",
">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.",
">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)",
">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.",
">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.",
">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!",
">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉",
">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.",
">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.",
">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.",
">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing",
">\n\nI walk over legos",
">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.",
">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.",
">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.",
">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.",
">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk",
">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.",
">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly",
">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.",
">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.",
">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.",
">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.",
">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.",
">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.",
">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.",
">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.",
">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.",
">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.",
">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.",
">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.",
">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees",
">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .",
">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this",
">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.",
">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.",
">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.",
">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?",
">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.",
">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.",
">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.",
">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.",
">\n\nAbsolute god quad",
">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.",
">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.",
">\n\nImpressive core strength.",
">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually",
">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.",
">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.",
">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin",
">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?",
">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma",
">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.",
">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.",
">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school",
">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".",
">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset",
">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball",
">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.",
">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.",
">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay",
">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.",
">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake",
">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.",
">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?",
">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat",
">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?",
">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….",
">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball",
">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....",
">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.",
">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.",
">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.",
">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia",
">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.",
">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.",
">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.",
">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.",
">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.",
">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.",
">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!",
">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.",
">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?",
">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.",
">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.",
">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.",
">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.",
">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.",
">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.",
">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of",
">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.",
">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.",
">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.",
">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.",
">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.",
">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?",
">\n\nI'm sure Google works",
">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.",
">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.",
">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"",
">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.",
">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.",
">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.",
">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.",
">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:",
">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.",
">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.",
">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh",
">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.",
">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.",
">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.",
">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.",
">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.",
">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...",
">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher",
">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick",
">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»",
">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it",
">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.",
">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?",
">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.",
">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.",
">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!",
">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.",
">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.",
">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.",
">\n\nCry me a fucking river",
">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?",
">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?",
">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.",
">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?",
">\n\nWell he should behave himself",
">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it",
">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.",
">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.",
">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this",
">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.",
">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"",
">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!",
">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.",
">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.",
">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.",
">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.",
">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"",
">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…",
">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”",
">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.",
">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole",
">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.",
">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.",
">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.",
">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes",
">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing",
">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing",
">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats",
">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄",
">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!",
">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.",
">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.",
">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄",
">\n\nNot really even bothered by this. It's better than slapping or spanking kids, which is acceptable in much of the south. \nIf I were a parent, I'd consent to passive punishments such as these, in favor of more traditional, corporal punishments used here in New Mexico as well as Texas.",
">\n\nDo this is my adult workout class and the max time is usually 90 seconds. This is disturbing af!",
">\n\nThis is why you should train your children to behave properly. He was interrupting the education of his class mates. Parents should discipline their children at home. Instead they do nothing. Children then learn they can do whatever they want without punishment. \nHow does the parent want her child disciplined? You can’t spank them. You can’t put them in timeout. You can’t do wall sits. Should he get a treat or award for misbehaving?",
">\n\nAssuming a lot here buddy lmao",
">\n\nsounds like a japanese POW camp in WW2.",
">\n\nOne of my old hs teachers used to give us the option to do wall sits/planks instead of formal write ups when we acted up in class. I coulda been rich and retired by now.",
">\n\nWell I did not get you ? How can you be rich by doing wall planks ?",
">\n\nThat’s called a stress position which is a form of torture!!",
">\n\nWas it in PE? Because that’s just exercise\nLet me go ahead and throw the /s in there since the sarcasm wasn’t clear enough. \nObviously this is not exercise for a small child."
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"In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.",
">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”",
">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting",
">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences",
">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher",
">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!",
">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.",
">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.",
">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?",
">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.",
">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.",
">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.",
">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.",
">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.",
">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.",
">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.",
">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.",
">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?",
">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?",
">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!",
">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.",
">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.",
">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.",
">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.",
">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.",
">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.",
">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.",
">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.",
">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.",
">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)",
">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.",
">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.",
">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!",
">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉",
">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.",
">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.",
">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.",
">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing",
">\n\nI walk over legos",
">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.",
">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.",
">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.",
">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.",
">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk",
">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.",
">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly",
">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.",
">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.",
">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.",
">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.",
">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.",
">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.",
">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.",
">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.",
">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.",
">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.",
">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.",
">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.",
">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees",
">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .",
">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this",
">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.",
">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.",
">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.",
">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?",
">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.",
">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.",
">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.",
">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.",
">\n\nAbsolute god quad",
">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.",
">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.",
">\n\nImpressive core strength.",
">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually",
">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.",
">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.",
">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin",
">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?",
">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma",
">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.",
">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.",
">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school",
">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".",
">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset",
">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball",
">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.",
">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.",
">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay",
">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.",
">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake",
">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.",
">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?",
">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat",
">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?",
">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….",
">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball",
">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....",
">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.",
">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.",
">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.",
">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia",
">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.",
">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.",
">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.",
">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.",
">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.",
">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.",
">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!",
">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.",
">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?",
">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.",
">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.",
">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.",
">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.",
">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.",
">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.",
">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of",
">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.",
">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.",
">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.",
">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.",
">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.",
">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?",
">\n\nI'm sure Google works",
">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.",
">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.",
">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"",
">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.",
">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.",
">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.",
">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.",
">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:",
">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.",
">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.",
">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh",
">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.",
">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.",
">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.",
">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.",
">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.",
">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...",
">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher",
">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick",
">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»",
">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it",
">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.",
">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?",
">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.",
">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.",
">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!",
">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.",
">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.",
">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.",
">\n\nCry me a fucking river",
">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?",
">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?",
">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.",
">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?",
">\n\nWell he should behave himself",
">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it",
">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.",
">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.",
">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this",
">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.",
">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"",
">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!",
">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.",
">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.",
">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.",
">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.",
">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"",
">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…",
">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”",
">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.",
">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole",
">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.",
">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.",
">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.",
">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes",
">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing",
">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing",
">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats",
">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄",
">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!",
">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.",
">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.",
">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄",
">\n\nNot really even bothered by this. It's better than slapping or spanking kids, which is acceptable in much of the south. \nIf I were a parent, I'd consent to passive punishments such as these, in favor of more traditional, corporal punishments used here in New Mexico as well as Texas.",
">\n\nDo this is my adult workout class and the max time is usually 90 seconds. This is disturbing af!",
">\n\nThis is why you should train your children to behave properly. He was interrupting the education of his class mates. Parents should discipline their children at home. Instead they do nothing. Children then learn they can do whatever they want without punishment. \nHow does the parent want her child disciplined? You can’t spank them. You can’t put them in timeout. You can’t do wall sits. Should he get a treat or award for misbehaving?",
">\n\nAssuming a lot here buddy lmao",
">\n\nsounds like a japanese POW camp in WW2.",
">\n\nOne of my old hs teachers used to give us the option to do wall sits/planks instead of formal write ups when we acted up in class. I coulda been rich and retired by now.",
">\n\nWell I did not get you ? How can you be rich by doing wall planks ?",
">\n\nThat’s called a stress position which is a form of torture!!",
">\n\nWas it in PE? Because that’s just exercise\nLet me go ahead and throw the /s in there since the sarcasm wasn’t clear enough. \nObviously this is not exercise for a small child.",
">\n\nI went to school in Oklahoma and we did not do wall squats ever. Probably not super appropriate for little kids."
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"In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.",
">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”",
">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting",
">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences",
">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher",
">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!",
">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.",
">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.",
">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?",
">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.",
">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.",
">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.",
">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.",
">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.",
">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.",
">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.",
">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.",
">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?",
">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?",
">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!",
">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.",
">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.",
">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.",
">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.",
">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.",
">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.",
">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.",
">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.",
">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.",
">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)",
">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.",
">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.",
">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!",
">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉",
">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.",
">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.",
">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.",
">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing",
">\n\nI walk over legos",
">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.",
">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.",
">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.",
">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.",
">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk",
">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.",
">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly",
">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.",
">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.",
">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.",
">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.",
">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.",
">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.",
">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.",
">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.",
">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.",
">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.",
">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.",
">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.",
">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees",
">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .",
">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this",
">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.",
">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.",
">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.",
">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?",
">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.",
">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.",
">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.",
">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.",
">\n\nAbsolute god quad",
">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.",
">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.",
">\n\nImpressive core strength.",
">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually",
">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.",
">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.",
">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin",
">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?",
">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma",
">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.",
">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.",
">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school",
">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".",
">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset",
">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball",
">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.",
">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.",
">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay",
">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.",
">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake",
">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.",
">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?",
">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat",
">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?",
">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….",
">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball",
">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....",
">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.",
">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.",
">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.",
">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia",
">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.",
">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.",
">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.",
">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.",
">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.",
">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.",
">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!",
">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.",
">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?",
">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.",
">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.",
">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.",
">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.",
">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.",
">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.",
">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of",
">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.",
">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.",
">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.",
">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.",
">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.",
">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?",
">\n\nI'm sure Google works",
">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.",
">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.",
">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"",
">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.",
">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.",
">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.",
">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.",
">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:",
">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.",
">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.",
">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh",
">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.",
">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.",
">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.",
">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.",
">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.",
">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...",
">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher",
">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick",
">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»",
">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it",
">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.",
">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?",
">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.",
">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.",
">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!",
">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.",
">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.",
">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.",
">\n\nCry me a fucking river",
">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?",
">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?",
">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.",
">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?",
">\n\nWell he should behave himself",
">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it",
">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.",
">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.",
">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this",
">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.",
">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"",
">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!",
">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.",
">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.",
">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.",
">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.",
">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"",
">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…",
">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”",
">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.",
">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole",
">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.",
">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.",
">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.",
">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes",
">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing",
">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing",
">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats",
">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄",
">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!",
">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.",
">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.",
">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄",
">\n\nNot really even bothered by this. It's better than slapping or spanking kids, which is acceptable in much of the south. \nIf I were a parent, I'd consent to passive punishments such as these, in favor of more traditional, corporal punishments used here in New Mexico as well as Texas.",
">\n\nDo this is my adult workout class and the max time is usually 90 seconds. This is disturbing af!",
">\n\nThis is why you should train your children to behave properly. He was interrupting the education of his class mates. Parents should discipline their children at home. Instead they do nothing. Children then learn they can do whatever they want without punishment. \nHow does the parent want her child disciplined? You can’t spank them. You can’t put them in timeout. You can’t do wall sits. Should he get a treat or award for misbehaving?",
">\n\nAssuming a lot here buddy lmao",
">\n\nsounds like a japanese POW camp in WW2.",
">\n\nOne of my old hs teachers used to give us the option to do wall sits/planks instead of formal write ups when we acted up in class. I coulda been rich and retired by now.",
">\n\nWell I did not get you ? How can you be rich by doing wall planks ?",
">\n\nThat’s called a stress position which is a form of torture!!",
">\n\nWas it in PE? Because that’s just exercise\nLet me go ahead and throw the /s in there since the sarcasm wasn’t clear enough. \nObviously this is not exercise for a small child.",
">\n\nI went to school in Oklahoma and we did not do wall squats ever. Probably not super appropriate for little kids.",
">\n\nWell he will prob have a great squat in a decade, these kids don’t listen and their parents are all pushovers, is running laps in basketball now punishment as well in this society?"
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"In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.",
">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”",
">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting",
">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences",
">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher",
">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!",
">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.",
">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.",
">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?",
">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.",
">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.",
">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.",
">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.",
">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.",
">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.",
">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.",
">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.",
">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?",
">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?",
">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!",
">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.",
">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.",
">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.",
">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.",
">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.",
">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.",
">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.",
">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.",
">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.",
">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)",
">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.",
">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.",
">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!",
">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉",
">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.",
">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.",
">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.",
">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing",
">\n\nI walk over legos",
">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.",
">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.",
">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.",
">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.",
">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk",
">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.",
">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly",
">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.",
">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.",
">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.",
">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.",
">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.",
">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.",
">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.",
">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.",
">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.",
">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.",
">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.",
">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.",
">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees",
">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .",
">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this",
">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.",
">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.",
">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.",
">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?",
">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.",
">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.",
">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.",
">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.",
">\n\nAbsolute god quad",
">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.",
">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.",
">\n\nImpressive core strength.",
">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually",
">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.",
">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.",
">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin",
">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?",
">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma",
">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.",
">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.",
">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school",
">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".",
">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset",
">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball",
">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.",
">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.",
">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay",
">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.",
">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake",
">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.",
">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?",
">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat",
">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?",
">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….",
">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball",
">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....",
">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.",
">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.",
">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.",
">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia",
">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.",
">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.",
">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.",
">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.",
">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.",
">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.",
">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!",
">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.",
">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?",
">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.",
">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.",
">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.",
">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.",
">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.",
">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.",
">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of",
">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.",
">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.",
">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.",
">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.",
">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.",
">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?",
">\n\nI'm sure Google works",
">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.",
">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.",
">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"",
">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.",
">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.",
">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.",
">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.",
">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:",
">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.",
">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.",
">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh",
">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.",
">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.",
">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.",
">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.",
">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.",
">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...",
">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher",
">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick",
">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»",
">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it",
">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.",
">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?",
">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.",
">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.",
">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!",
">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.",
">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.",
">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.",
">\n\nCry me a fucking river",
">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?",
">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?",
">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.",
">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?",
">\n\nWell he should behave himself",
">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it",
">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.",
">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.",
">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this",
">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.",
">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"",
">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!",
">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.",
">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.",
">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.",
">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.",
">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"",
">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…",
">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”",
">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.",
">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole",
">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.",
">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.",
">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.",
">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes",
">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing",
">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing",
">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats",
">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄",
">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!",
">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.",
">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.",
">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄",
">\n\nNot really even bothered by this. It's better than slapping or spanking kids, which is acceptable in much of the south. \nIf I were a parent, I'd consent to passive punishments such as these, in favor of more traditional, corporal punishments used here in New Mexico as well as Texas.",
">\n\nDo this is my adult workout class and the max time is usually 90 seconds. This is disturbing af!",
">\n\nThis is why you should train your children to behave properly. He was interrupting the education of his class mates. Parents should discipline their children at home. Instead they do nothing. Children then learn they can do whatever they want without punishment. \nHow does the parent want her child disciplined? You can’t spank them. You can’t put them in timeout. You can’t do wall sits. Should he get a treat or award for misbehaving?",
">\n\nAssuming a lot here buddy lmao",
">\n\nsounds like a japanese POW camp in WW2.",
">\n\nOne of my old hs teachers used to give us the option to do wall sits/planks instead of formal write ups when we acted up in class. I coulda been rich and retired by now.",
">\n\nWell I did not get you ? How can you be rich by doing wall planks ?",
">\n\nThat’s called a stress position which is a form of torture!!",
">\n\nWas it in PE? Because that’s just exercise\nLet me go ahead and throw the /s in there since the sarcasm wasn’t clear enough. \nObviously this is not exercise for a small child.",
">\n\nI went to school in Oklahoma and we did not do wall squats ever. Probably not super appropriate for little kids.",
">\n\nWell he will prob have a great squat in a decade, these kids don’t listen and their parents are all pushovers, is running laps in basketball now punishment as well in this society?",
">\n\nBlah blah blah, kids bad, this generation are sissies, back in my day we had to eat sand and shit success, etc. Shut the fuck up."
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They're not talking about sitting on the floor or in a chair against the wall. You're asking a child to hold a squat position while leaning against the wall for 15 minutes.
Jacob says the wall sit hurt his legs.
"They were shaking a lot and I was crying," Jacob said.
I'll bet.
This was a third grader, so maybe 8/9 years old. | [
"In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.",
">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”",
">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting",
">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences",
">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher",
">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!",
">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.",
">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.",
">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?",
">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.",
">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.",
">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.",
">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.",
">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.",
">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.",
">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.",
">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.",
">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?",
">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?",
">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!",
">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.",
">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.",
">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.",
">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.",
">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.",
">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.",
">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.",
">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.",
">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.",
">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)",
">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.",
">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.",
">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!",
">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉",
">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.",
">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.",
">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.",
">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing",
">\n\nI walk over legos",
">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.",
">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.",
">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.",
">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.",
">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk",
">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.",
">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly",
">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.",
">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.",
">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.",
">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.",
">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.",
">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.",
">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.",
">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.",
">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.",
">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.",
">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.",
">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.",
">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees",
">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .",
">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this",
">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.",
">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.",
">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.",
">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?",
">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.",
">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.",
">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.",
">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.",
">\n\nAbsolute god quad",
">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.",
">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.",
">\n\nImpressive core strength.",
">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually",
">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.",
">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.",
">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin",
">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?",
">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma",
">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.",
">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.",
">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school",
">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".",
">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset",
">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball",
">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.",
">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.",
">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay",
">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.",
">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake",
">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.",
">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?",
">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat",
">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?",
">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….",
">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball",
">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....",
">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.",
">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.",
">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.",
">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia",
">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.",
">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.",
">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.",
">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.",
">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.",
">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.",
">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!",
">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.",
">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?",
">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.",
">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.",
">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.",
">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.",
">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.",
">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.",
">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of",
">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.",
">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.",
">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.",
">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.",
">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.",
">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?",
">\n\nI'm sure Google works",
">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.",
">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.",
">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"",
">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.",
">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.",
">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.",
">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.",
">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:",
">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.",
">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.",
">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh",
">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.",
">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.",
">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.",
">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.",
">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.",
">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...",
">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher",
">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick",
">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»",
">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it",
">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.",
">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?",
">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.",
">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.",
">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!",
">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.",
">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.",
">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.",
">\n\nCry me a fucking river",
">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?",
">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?",
">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.",
">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?",
">\n\nWell he should behave himself",
">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it",
">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.",
">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.",
">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this",
">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.",
">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"",
">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!",
">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.",
">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.",
">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.",
">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.",
">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"",
">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…",
">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”",
">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.",
">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole",
">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.",
">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.",
">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.",
">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes",
">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing",
">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing",
">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats",
">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄",
">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!",
">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.",
">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.",
">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄",
">\n\nNot really even bothered by this. It's better than slapping or spanking kids, which is acceptable in much of the south. \nIf I were a parent, I'd consent to passive punishments such as these, in favor of more traditional, corporal punishments used here in New Mexico as well as Texas.",
">\n\nDo this is my adult workout class and the max time is usually 90 seconds. This is disturbing af!",
">\n\nThis is why you should train your children to behave properly. He was interrupting the education of his class mates. Parents should discipline their children at home. Instead they do nothing. Children then learn they can do whatever they want without punishment. \nHow does the parent want her child disciplined? You can’t spank them. You can’t put them in timeout. You can’t do wall sits. Should he get a treat or award for misbehaving?",
">\n\nAssuming a lot here buddy lmao",
">\n\nsounds like a japanese POW camp in WW2.",
">\n\nOne of my old hs teachers used to give us the option to do wall sits/planks instead of formal write ups when we acted up in class. I coulda been rich and retired by now.",
">\n\nWell I did not get you ? How can you be rich by doing wall planks ?",
">\n\nThat’s called a stress position which is a form of torture!!",
">\n\nWas it in PE? Because that’s just exercise\nLet me go ahead and throw the /s in there since the sarcasm wasn’t clear enough. \nObviously this is not exercise for a small child.",
">\n\nI went to school in Oklahoma and we did not do wall squats ever. Probably not super appropriate for little kids.",
">\n\nWell he will prob have a great squat in a decade, these kids don’t listen and their parents are all pushovers, is running laps in basketball now punishment as well in this society?",
">\n\nBlah blah blah, kids bad, this generation are sissies, back in my day we had to eat sand and shit success, etc. Shut the fuck up.",
">\n\nWall sits are bad because?"
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I appreciate you correcting me. I was thinking facing a wall or sitting in a corner, not literal squats.
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"In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.",
">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”",
">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting",
">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences",
">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher",
">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!",
">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.",
">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.",
">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?",
">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.",
">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.",
">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.",
">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.",
">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.",
">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.",
">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.",
">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.",
">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?",
">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?",
">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!",
">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.",
">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.",
">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.",
">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.",
">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.",
">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.",
">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.",
">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.",
">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.",
">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)",
">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.",
">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.",
">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!",
">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉",
">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.",
">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.",
">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.",
">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing",
">\n\nI walk over legos",
">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.",
">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.",
">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.",
">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.",
">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk",
">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.",
">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly",
">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.",
">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.",
">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.",
">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.",
">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.",
">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.",
">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.",
">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.",
">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.",
">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.",
">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.",
">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.",
">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees",
">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .",
">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this",
">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.",
">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.",
">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.",
">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?",
">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.",
">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.",
">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.",
">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.",
">\n\nAbsolute god quad",
">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.",
">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.",
">\n\nImpressive core strength.",
">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually",
">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.",
">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.",
">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin",
">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?",
">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma",
">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.",
">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.",
">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school",
">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".",
">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset",
">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball",
">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.",
">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.",
">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay",
">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.",
">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake",
">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.",
">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?",
">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat",
">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?",
">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….",
">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball",
">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....",
">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.",
">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.",
">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.",
">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia",
">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.",
">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.",
">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.",
">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.",
">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.",
">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.",
">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!",
">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.",
">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?",
">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.",
">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.",
">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.",
">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.",
">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.",
">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.",
">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of",
">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.",
">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.",
">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.",
">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.",
">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.",
">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?",
">\n\nI'm sure Google works",
">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.",
">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.",
">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"",
">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.",
">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.",
">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.",
">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.",
">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:",
">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.",
">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.",
">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh",
">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.",
">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.",
">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.",
">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.",
">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.",
">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...",
">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher",
">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick",
">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»",
">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it",
">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.",
">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?",
">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.",
">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.",
">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!",
">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.",
">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.",
">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.",
">\n\nCry me a fucking river",
">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?",
">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?",
">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.",
">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?",
">\n\nWell he should behave himself",
">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it",
">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.",
">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.",
">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this",
">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.",
">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"",
">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!",
">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.",
">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.",
">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.",
">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.",
">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"",
">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…",
">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”",
">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.",
">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole",
">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.",
">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.",
">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.",
">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes",
">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing",
">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing",
">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats",
">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄",
">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!",
">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.",
">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.",
">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄",
">\n\nNot really even bothered by this. It's better than slapping or spanking kids, which is acceptable in much of the south. \nIf I were a parent, I'd consent to passive punishments such as these, in favor of more traditional, corporal punishments used here in New Mexico as well as Texas.",
">\n\nDo this is my adult workout class and the max time is usually 90 seconds. This is disturbing af!",
">\n\nThis is why you should train your children to behave properly. He was interrupting the education of his class mates. Parents should discipline their children at home. Instead they do nothing. Children then learn they can do whatever they want without punishment. \nHow does the parent want her child disciplined? You can’t spank them. You can’t put them in timeout. You can’t do wall sits. Should he get a treat or award for misbehaving?",
">\n\nAssuming a lot here buddy lmao",
">\n\nsounds like a japanese POW camp in WW2.",
">\n\nOne of my old hs teachers used to give us the option to do wall sits/planks instead of formal write ups when we acted up in class. I coulda been rich and retired by now.",
">\n\nWell I did not get you ? How can you be rich by doing wall planks ?",
">\n\nThat’s called a stress position which is a form of torture!!",
">\n\nWas it in PE? Because that’s just exercise\nLet me go ahead and throw the /s in there since the sarcasm wasn’t clear enough. \nObviously this is not exercise for a small child.",
">\n\nI went to school in Oklahoma and we did not do wall squats ever. Probably not super appropriate for little kids.",
">\n\nWell he will prob have a great squat in a decade, these kids don’t listen and their parents are all pushovers, is running laps in basketball now punishment as well in this society?",
">\n\nBlah blah blah, kids bad, this generation are sissies, back in my day we had to eat sand and shit success, etc. Shut the fuck up.",
">\n\nWall sits are bad because?",
">\n\nThey're not talking about sitting on the floor or in a chair against the wall. You're asking a child to hold a squat position while leaning against the wall for 15 minutes.\n\nJacob says the wall sit hurt his legs.\n\"They were shaking a lot and I was crying,\" Jacob said.\n\nI'll bet. \nThis was a third grader, so maybe 8/9 years old."
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"In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.",
">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”",
">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting",
">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences",
">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher",
">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!",
">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.",
">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.",
">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?",
">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.",
">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.",
">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.",
">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.",
">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.",
">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.",
">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.",
">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.",
">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?",
">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?",
">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!",
">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.",
">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.",
">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.",
">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.",
">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.",
">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.",
">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.",
">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.",
">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.",
">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)",
">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.",
">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.",
">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!",
">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉",
">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.",
">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.",
">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.",
">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing",
">\n\nI walk over legos",
">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.",
">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.",
">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.",
">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.",
">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk",
">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.",
">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly",
">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.",
">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.",
">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.",
">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.",
">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.",
">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.",
">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.",
">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.",
">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.",
">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.",
">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.",
">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.",
">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees",
">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .",
">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this",
">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.",
">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.",
">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.",
">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?",
">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.",
">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.",
">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.",
">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.",
">\n\nAbsolute god quad",
">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.",
">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.",
">\n\nImpressive core strength.",
">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually",
">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.",
">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.",
">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin",
">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?",
">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma",
">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.",
">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.",
">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school",
">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".",
">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset",
">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball",
">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.",
">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.",
">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay",
">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.",
">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake",
">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.",
">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?",
">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat",
">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?",
">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….",
">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball",
">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....",
">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.",
">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.",
">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.",
">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia",
">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.",
">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.",
">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.",
">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.",
">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.",
">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.",
">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!",
">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.",
">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?",
">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.",
">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.",
">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.",
">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.",
">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.",
">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.",
">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of",
">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.",
">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.",
">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.",
">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.",
">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.",
">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?",
">\n\nI'm sure Google works",
">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.",
">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.",
">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"",
">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.",
">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.",
">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.",
">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.",
">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:",
">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.",
">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.",
">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh",
">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.",
">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.",
">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.",
">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.",
">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.",
">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...",
">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher",
">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick",
">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»",
">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it",
">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.",
">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?",
">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.",
">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.",
">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!",
">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.",
">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.",
">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.",
">\n\nCry me a fucking river",
">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?",
">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?",
">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.",
">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?",
">\n\nWell he should behave himself",
">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it",
">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.",
">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.",
">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this",
">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.",
">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"",
">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!",
">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.",
">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.",
">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.",
">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.",
">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"",
">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…",
">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”",
">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.",
">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole",
">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.",
">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.",
">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.",
">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes",
">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing",
">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing",
">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats",
">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄",
">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!",
">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.",
">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.",
">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄",
">\n\nNot really even bothered by this. It's better than slapping or spanking kids, which is acceptable in much of the south. \nIf I were a parent, I'd consent to passive punishments such as these, in favor of more traditional, corporal punishments used here in New Mexico as well as Texas.",
">\n\nDo this is my adult workout class and the max time is usually 90 seconds. This is disturbing af!",
">\n\nThis is why you should train your children to behave properly. He was interrupting the education of his class mates. Parents should discipline their children at home. Instead they do nothing. Children then learn they can do whatever they want without punishment. \nHow does the parent want her child disciplined? You can’t spank them. You can’t put them in timeout. You can’t do wall sits. Should he get a treat or award for misbehaving?",
">\n\nAssuming a lot here buddy lmao",
">\n\nsounds like a japanese POW camp in WW2.",
">\n\nOne of my old hs teachers used to give us the option to do wall sits/planks instead of formal write ups when we acted up in class. I coulda been rich and retired by now.",
">\n\nWell I did not get you ? How can you be rich by doing wall planks ?",
">\n\nThat’s called a stress position which is a form of torture!!",
">\n\nWas it in PE? Because that’s just exercise\nLet me go ahead and throw the /s in there since the sarcasm wasn’t clear enough. \nObviously this is not exercise for a small child.",
">\n\nI went to school in Oklahoma and we did not do wall squats ever. Probably not super appropriate for little kids.",
">\n\nWell he will prob have a great squat in a decade, these kids don’t listen and their parents are all pushovers, is running laps in basketball now punishment as well in this society?",
">\n\nBlah blah blah, kids bad, this generation are sissies, back in my day we had to eat sand and shit success, etc. Shut the fuck up.",
">\n\nWall sits are bad because?",
">\n\nThey're not talking about sitting on the floor or in a chair against the wall. You're asking a child to hold a squat position while leaning against the wall for 15 minutes.\n\nJacob says the wall sit hurt his legs.\n\"They were shaking a lot and I was crying,\" Jacob said.\n\nI'll bet. \nThis was a third grader, so maybe 8/9 years old.",
">\n\nI appreciate you correcting me. I was thinking facing a wall or sitting in a corner, not literal squats. \nAnd holy shit reddit is angry today."
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"In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.",
">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”",
">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting",
">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences",
">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher",
">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!",
">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.",
">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.",
">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?",
">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.",
">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.",
">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.",
">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.",
">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.",
">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.",
">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.",
">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.",
">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?",
">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?",
">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!",
">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.",
">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.",
">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.",
">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.",
">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.",
">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.",
">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.",
">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.",
">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.",
">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)",
">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.",
">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.",
">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!",
">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉",
">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.",
">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.",
">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.",
">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing",
">\n\nI walk over legos",
">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.",
">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.",
">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.",
">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.",
">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk",
">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.",
">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly",
">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.",
">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.",
">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.",
">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.",
">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.",
">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.",
">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.",
">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.",
">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.",
">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.",
">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.",
">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.",
">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees",
">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .",
">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this",
">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.",
">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.",
">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.",
">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?",
">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.",
">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.",
">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.",
">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.",
">\n\nAbsolute god quad",
">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.",
">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.",
">\n\nImpressive core strength.",
">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually",
">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.",
">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.",
">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin",
">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?",
">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma",
">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.",
">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.",
">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school",
">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".",
">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset",
">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball",
">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.",
">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.",
">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay",
">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.",
">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake",
">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.",
">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?",
">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat",
">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?",
">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….",
">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball",
">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....",
">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.",
">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.",
">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.",
">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia",
">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.",
">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.",
">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.",
">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.",
">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.",
">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.",
">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!",
">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.",
">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?",
">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.",
">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.",
">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.",
">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.",
">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.",
">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.",
">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of",
">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.",
">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.",
">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.",
">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.",
">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.",
">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?",
">\n\nI'm sure Google works",
">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.",
">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.",
">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"",
">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.",
">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.",
">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.",
">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.",
">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:",
">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.",
">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.",
">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh",
">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.",
">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.",
">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.",
">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.",
">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.",
">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...",
">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher",
">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick",
">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»",
">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it",
">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.",
">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?",
">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.",
">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.",
">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!",
">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.",
">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.",
">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.",
">\n\nCry me a fucking river",
">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?",
">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?",
">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.",
">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?",
">\n\nWell he should behave himself",
">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it",
">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.",
">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.",
">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this",
">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.",
">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"",
">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!",
">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.",
">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.",
">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.",
">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.",
">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"",
">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…",
">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”",
">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.",
">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole",
">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.",
">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.",
">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.",
">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes",
">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing",
">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing",
">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats",
">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄",
">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!",
">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.",
">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.",
">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄",
">\n\nNot really even bothered by this. It's better than slapping or spanking kids, which is acceptable in much of the south. \nIf I were a parent, I'd consent to passive punishments such as these, in favor of more traditional, corporal punishments used here in New Mexico as well as Texas.",
">\n\nDo this is my adult workout class and the max time is usually 90 seconds. This is disturbing af!",
">\n\nThis is why you should train your children to behave properly. He was interrupting the education of his class mates. Parents should discipline their children at home. Instead they do nothing. Children then learn they can do whatever they want without punishment. \nHow does the parent want her child disciplined? You can’t spank them. You can’t put them in timeout. You can’t do wall sits. Should he get a treat or award for misbehaving?",
">\n\nAssuming a lot here buddy lmao",
">\n\nsounds like a japanese POW camp in WW2.",
">\n\nOne of my old hs teachers used to give us the option to do wall sits/planks instead of formal write ups when we acted up in class. I coulda been rich and retired by now.",
">\n\nWell I did not get you ? How can you be rich by doing wall planks ?",
">\n\nThat’s called a stress position which is a form of torture!!",
">\n\nWas it in PE? Because that’s just exercise\nLet me go ahead and throw the /s in there since the sarcasm wasn’t clear enough. \nObviously this is not exercise for a small child.",
">\n\nI went to school in Oklahoma and we did not do wall squats ever. Probably not super appropriate for little kids.",
">\n\nWell he will prob have a great squat in a decade, these kids don’t listen and their parents are all pushovers, is running laps in basketball now punishment as well in this society?",
">\n\nBlah blah blah, kids bad, this generation are sissies, back in my day we had to eat sand and shit success, etc. Shut the fuck up.",
">\n\nWall sits are bad because?",
">\n\nThey're not talking about sitting on the floor or in a chair against the wall. You're asking a child to hold a squat position while leaning against the wall for 15 minutes.\n\nJacob says the wall sit hurt his legs.\n\"They were shaking a lot and I was crying,\" Jacob said.\n\nI'll bet. \nThis was a third grader, so maybe 8/9 years old.",
">\n\nI appreciate you correcting me. I was thinking facing a wall or sitting in a corner, not literal squats. \nAnd holy shit reddit is angry today.",
">\n\nMight want to put in an edit clarifying that you didn't know what a wall sit was."
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There’s a lot of bots here. It was a wall sit, not the end of the world, and at his age, he wasn’t doing them right, so they likely didn’t have any real lasting effect on him. Do you remember trying to do push-ups at his age? You never did them correctly but still claimed they were tiring. | [
"In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.",
">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”",
">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting",
">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences",
">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher",
">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!",
">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.",
">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.",
">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?",
">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.",
">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.",
">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.",
">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.",
">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.",
">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.",
">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.",
">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.",
">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?",
">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?",
">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!",
">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.",
">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.",
">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.",
">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.",
">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.",
">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.",
">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.",
">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.",
">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.",
">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)",
">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.",
">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.",
">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!",
">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉",
">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.",
">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.",
">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.",
">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing",
">\n\nI walk over legos",
">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.",
">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.",
">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.",
">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.",
">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk",
">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.",
">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly",
">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.",
">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.",
">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.",
">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.",
">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.",
">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.",
">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.",
">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.",
">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.",
">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.",
">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.",
">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.",
">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees",
">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .",
">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this",
">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.",
">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.",
">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.",
">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?",
">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.",
">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.",
">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.",
">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.",
">\n\nAbsolute god quad",
">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.",
">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.",
">\n\nImpressive core strength.",
">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually",
">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.",
">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.",
">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin",
">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?",
">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma",
">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.",
">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.",
">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school",
">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".",
">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset",
">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball",
">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.",
">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.",
">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay",
">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.",
">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake",
">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.",
">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?",
">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat",
">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?",
">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….",
">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball",
">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....",
">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.",
">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.",
">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.",
">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia",
">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.",
">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.",
">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.",
">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.",
">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.",
">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.",
">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!",
">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.",
">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?",
">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.",
">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.",
">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.",
">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.",
">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.",
">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.",
">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of",
">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.",
">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.",
">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.",
">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.",
">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.",
">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?",
">\n\nI'm sure Google works",
">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.",
">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.",
">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"",
">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.",
">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.",
">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.",
">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.",
">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:",
">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.",
">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.",
">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh",
">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.",
">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.",
">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.",
">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.",
">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.",
">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...",
">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher",
">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick",
">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»",
">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it",
">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.",
">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?",
">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.",
">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.",
">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!",
">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.",
">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.",
">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.",
">\n\nCry me a fucking river",
">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?",
">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?",
">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.",
">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?",
">\n\nWell he should behave himself",
">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it",
">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.",
">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.",
">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this",
">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.",
">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"",
">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!",
">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.",
">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.",
">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.",
">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.",
">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"",
">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…",
">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”",
">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.",
">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole",
">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.",
">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.",
">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.",
">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes",
">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing",
">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing",
">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats",
">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄",
">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!",
">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.",
">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.",
">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄",
">\n\nNot really even bothered by this. It's better than slapping or spanking kids, which is acceptable in much of the south. \nIf I were a parent, I'd consent to passive punishments such as these, in favor of more traditional, corporal punishments used here in New Mexico as well as Texas.",
">\n\nDo this is my adult workout class and the max time is usually 90 seconds. This is disturbing af!",
">\n\nThis is why you should train your children to behave properly. He was interrupting the education of his class mates. Parents should discipline their children at home. Instead they do nothing. Children then learn they can do whatever they want without punishment. \nHow does the parent want her child disciplined? You can’t spank them. You can’t put them in timeout. You can’t do wall sits. Should he get a treat or award for misbehaving?",
">\n\nAssuming a lot here buddy lmao",
">\n\nsounds like a japanese POW camp in WW2.",
">\n\nOne of my old hs teachers used to give us the option to do wall sits/planks instead of formal write ups when we acted up in class. I coulda been rich and retired by now.",
">\n\nWell I did not get you ? How can you be rich by doing wall planks ?",
">\n\nThat’s called a stress position which is a form of torture!!",
">\n\nWas it in PE? Because that’s just exercise\nLet me go ahead and throw the /s in there since the sarcasm wasn’t clear enough. \nObviously this is not exercise for a small child.",
">\n\nI went to school in Oklahoma and we did not do wall squats ever. Probably not super appropriate for little kids.",
">\n\nWell he will prob have a great squat in a decade, these kids don’t listen and their parents are all pushovers, is running laps in basketball now punishment as well in this society?",
">\n\nBlah blah blah, kids bad, this generation are sissies, back in my day we had to eat sand and shit success, etc. Shut the fuck up.",
">\n\nWall sits are bad because?",
">\n\nThey're not talking about sitting on the floor or in a chair against the wall. You're asking a child to hold a squat position while leaning against the wall for 15 minutes.\n\nJacob says the wall sit hurt his legs.\n\"They were shaking a lot and I was crying,\" Jacob said.\n\nI'll bet. \nThis was a third grader, so maybe 8/9 years old.",
">\n\nI appreciate you correcting me. I was thinking facing a wall or sitting in a corner, not literal squats. \nAnd holy shit reddit is angry today.",
">\n\nMight want to put in an edit clarifying that you didn't know what a wall sit was.",
">\n\nHonestly I don't care that much. I'm just grateful for the grace shown to explain it."
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worked with kids for 20 years in my school district, when I first started at recess indoors I was handling three classrooms at once which was very hard to do going back and forth There was one child who was way at a line and I told him to go stand in the hallway for a couple minutesJust to get out of my face so I could take care of the other children,A teacher came by and said that that's an absolute no no and if I ever get caught doing it it might cost me my job, lesson learned.
Out on the playground if the children are acting up we would usually tell them to go stand up against the wall for a couple minutesAnd that was allowed. | [
"In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.",
">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”",
">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting",
">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences",
">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher",
">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!",
">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.",
">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.",
">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?",
">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.",
">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.",
">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.",
">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.",
">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.",
">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.",
">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.",
">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.",
">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?",
">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?",
">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!",
">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.",
">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.",
">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.",
">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.",
">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.",
">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.",
">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.",
">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.",
">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.",
">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)",
">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.",
">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.",
">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!",
">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉",
">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.",
">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.",
">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.",
">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing",
">\n\nI walk over legos",
">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.",
">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.",
">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.",
">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.",
">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk",
">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.",
">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly",
">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.",
">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.",
">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.",
">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.",
">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.",
">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.",
">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.",
">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.",
">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.",
">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.",
">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.",
">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.",
">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees",
">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .",
">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this",
">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.",
">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.",
">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.",
">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?",
">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.",
">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.",
">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.",
">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.",
">\n\nAbsolute god quad",
">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.",
">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.",
">\n\nImpressive core strength.",
">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually",
">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.",
">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.",
">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin",
">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?",
">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma",
">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.",
">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.",
">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school",
">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".",
">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset",
">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball",
">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.",
">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.",
">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay",
">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.",
">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake",
">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.",
">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?",
">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat",
">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?",
">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….",
">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball",
">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....",
">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.",
">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.",
">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.",
">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia",
">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.",
">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.",
">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.",
">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.",
">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.",
">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.",
">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!",
">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.",
">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?",
">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.",
">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.",
">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.",
">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.",
">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.",
">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.",
">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of",
">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.",
">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.",
">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.",
">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.",
">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.",
">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?",
">\n\nI'm sure Google works",
">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.",
">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.",
">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"",
">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.",
">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.",
">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.",
">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.",
">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:",
">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.",
">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.",
">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh",
">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.",
">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.",
">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.",
">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.",
">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.",
">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...",
">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher",
">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick",
">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»",
">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it",
">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.",
">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?",
">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.",
">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.",
">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!",
">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.",
">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.",
">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.",
">\n\nCry me a fucking river",
">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?",
">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?",
">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.",
">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?",
">\n\nWell he should behave himself",
">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it",
">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.",
">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.",
">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this",
">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.",
">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"",
">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!",
">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.",
">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.",
">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.",
">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.",
">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"",
">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…",
">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”",
">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.",
">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole",
">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.",
">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.",
">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.",
">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes",
">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing",
">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing",
">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats",
">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄",
">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!",
">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.",
">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.",
">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄",
">\n\nNot really even bothered by this. It's better than slapping or spanking kids, which is acceptable in much of the south. \nIf I were a parent, I'd consent to passive punishments such as these, in favor of more traditional, corporal punishments used here in New Mexico as well as Texas.",
">\n\nDo this is my adult workout class and the max time is usually 90 seconds. This is disturbing af!",
">\n\nThis is why you should train your children to behave properly. He was interrupting the education of his class mates. Parents should discipline their children at home. Instead they do nothing. Children then learn they can do whatever they want without punishment. \nHow does the parent want her child disciplined? You can’t spank them. You can’t put them in timeout. You can’t do wall sits. Should he get a treat or award for misbehaving?",
">\n\nAssuming a lot here buddy lmao",
">\n\nsounds like a japanese POW camp in WW2.",
">\n\nOne of my old hs teachers used to give us the option to do wall sits/planks instead of formal write ups when we acted up in class. I coulda been rich and retired by now.",
">\n\nWell I did not get you ? How can you be rich by doing wall planks ?",
">\n\nThat’s called a stress position which is a form of torture!!",
">\n\nWas it in PE? Because that’s just exercise\nLet me go ahead and throw the /s in there since the sarcasm wasn’t clear enough. \nObviously this is not exercise for a small child.",
">\n\nI went to school in Oklahoma and we did not do wall squats ever. Probably not super appropriate for little kids.",
">\n\nWell he will prob have a great squat in a decade, these kids don’t listen and their parents are all pushovers, is running laps in basketball now punishment as well in this society?",
">\n\nBlah blah blah, kids bad, this generation are sissies, back in my day we had to eat sand and shit success, etc. Shut the fuck up.",
">\n\nWall sits are bad because?",
">\n\nThey're not talking about sitting on the floor or in a chair against the wall. You're asking a child to hold a squat position while leaning against the wall for 15 minutes.\n\nJacob says the wall sit hurt his legs.\n\"They were shaking a lot and I was crying,\" Jacob said.\n\nI'll bet. \nThis was a third grader, so maybe 8/9 years old.",
">\n\nI appreciate you correcting me. I was thinking facing a wall or sitting in a corner, not literal squats. \nAnd holy shit reddit is angry today.",
">\n\nMight want to put in an edit clarifying that you didn't know what a wall sit was.",
">\n\nHonestly I don't care that much. I'm just grateful for the grace shown to explain it.",
">\n\nThere’s a lot of bots here. It was a wall sit, not the end of the world, and at his age, he wasn’t doing them right, so they likely didn’t have any real lasting effect on him. Do you remember trying to do push-ups at his age? You never did them correctly but still claimed they were tiring."
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"In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.",
">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”",
">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting",
">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences",
">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher",
">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!",
">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.",
">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.",
">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?",
">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.",
">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.",
">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.",
">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.",
">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.",
">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.",
">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.",
">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.",
">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?",
">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?",
">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!",
">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.",
">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.",
">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.",
">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.",
">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.",
">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.",
">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.",
">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.",
">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.",
">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)",
">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.",
">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.",
">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!",
">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉",
">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.",
">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.",
">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.",
">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing",
">\n\nI walk over legos",
">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.",
">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.",
">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.",
">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.",
">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk",
">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.",
">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly",
">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.",
">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.",
">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.",
">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.",
">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.",
">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.",
">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.",
">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.",
">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.",
">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.",
">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.",
">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.",
">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees",
">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .",
">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this",
">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.",
">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.",
">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.",
">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?",
">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.",
">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.",
">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.",
">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.",
">\n\nAbsolute god quad",
">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.",
">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.",
">\n\nImpressive core strength.",
">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually",
">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.",
">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.",
">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin",
">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?",
">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma",
">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.",
">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.",
">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school",
">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".",
">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset",
">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball",
">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.",
">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.",
">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay",
">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.",
">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake",
">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.",
">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?",
">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat",
">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?",
">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….",
">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball",
">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....",
">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.",
">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.",
">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.",
">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia",
">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.",
">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.",
">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.",
">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.",
">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.",
">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.",
">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!",
">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.",
">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?",
">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.",
">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.",
">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.",
">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.",
">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.",
">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.",
">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of",
">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.",
">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.",
">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.",
">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.",
">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.",
">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?",
">\n\nI'm sure Google works",
">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.",
">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.",
">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"",
">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.",
">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.",
">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.",
">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.",
">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:",
">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.",
">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.",
">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh",
">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.",
">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.",
">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.",
">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.",
">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.",
">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...",
">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher",
">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick",
">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»",
">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it",
">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.",
">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?",
">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.",
">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.",
">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!",
">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.",
">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.",
">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.",
">\n\nCry me a fucking river",
">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?",
">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?",
">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.",
">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?",
">\n\nWell he should behave himself",
">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it",
">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.",
">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.",
">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this",
">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.",
">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"",
">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!",
">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.",
">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.",
">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.",
">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.",
">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"",
">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…",
">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”",
">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.",
">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole",
">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.",
">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.",
">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.",
">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes",
">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing",
">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing",
">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats",
">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄",
">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!",
">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.",
">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.",
">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄",
">\n\nNot really even bothered by this. It's better than slapping or spanking kids, which is acceptable in much of the south. \nIf I were a parent, I'd consent to passive punishments such as these, in favor of more traditional, corporal punishments used here in New Mexico as well as Texas.",
">\n\nDo this is my adult workout class and the max time is usually 90 seconds. This is disturbing af!",
">\n\nThis is why you should train your children to behave properly. He was interrupting the education of his class mates. Parents should discipline their children at home. Instead they do nothing. Children then learn they can do whatever they want without punishment. \nHow does the parent want her child disciplined? You can’t spank them. You can’t put them in timeout. You can’t do wall sits. Should he get a treat or award for misbehaving?",
">\n\nAssuming a lot here buddy lmao",
">\n\nsounds like a japanese POW camp in WW2.",
">\n\nOne of my old hs teachers used to give us the option to do wall sits/planks instead of formal write ups when we acted up in class. I coulda been rich and retired by now.",
">\n\nWell I did not get you ? How can you be rich by doing wall planks ?",
">\n\nThat’s called a stress position which is a form of torture!!",
">\n\nWas it in PE? Because that’s just exercise\nLet me go ahead and throw the /s in there since the sarcasm wasn’t clear enough. \nObviously this is not exercise for a small child.",
">\n\nI went to school in Oklahoma and we did not do wall squats ever. Probably not super appropriate for little kids.",
">\n\nWell he will prob have a great squat in a decade, these kids don’t listen and their parents are all pushovers, is running laps in basketball now punishment as well in this society?",
">\n\nBlah blah blah, kids bad, this generation are sissies, back in my day we had to eat sand and shit success, etc. Shut the fuck up.",
">\n\nWall sits are bad because?",
">\n\nThey're not talking about sitting on the floor or in a chair against the wall. You're asking a child to hold a squat position while leaning against the wall for 15 minutes.\n\nJacob says the wall sit hurt his legs.\n\"They were shaking a lot and I was crying,\" Jacob said.\n\nI'll bet. \nThis was a third grader, so maybe 8/9 years old.",
">\n\nI appreciate you correcting me. I was thinking facing a wall or sitting in a corner, not literal squats. \nAnd holy shit reddit is angry today.",
">\n\nMight want to put in an edit clarifying that you didn't know what a wall sit was.",
">\n\nHonestly I don't care that much. I'm just grateful for the grace shown to explain it.",
">\n\nThere’s a lot of bots here. It was a wall sit, not the end of the world, and at his age, he wasn’t doing them right, so they likely didn’t have any real lasting effect on him. Do you remember trying to do push-ups at his age? You never did them correctly but still claimed they were tiring.",
">\n\nworked with kids for 20 years in my school district, when I first started at recess indoors I was handling three classrooms at once which was very hard to do going back and forth There was one child who was way at a line and I told him to go stand in the hallway for a couple minutesJust to get out of my face so I could take care of the other children,A teacher came by and said that that's an absolute no no and if I ever get caught doing it it might cost me my job, lesson learned.\nOut on the playground if the children are acting up we would usually tell them to go stand up against the wall for a couple minutesAnd that was allowed."
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Why indeed?
Personally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?"
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Russia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation."
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... in that it won't dissolve? | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years"
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Just going to precipitate all over the place. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?"
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Some say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place."
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I'd say that's crystal clear | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension."
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Russia will respond by doubling recruitment targets. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear"
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Russia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.
Serbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages "against" Russia. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets."
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Mini Russia: ethnic genocide and all | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia."
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Man, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all"
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Are you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!
People like you are garbage.
Please bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on."
] |
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Don't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit."
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I think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:
You don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors."
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Being "friends" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship."
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My wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done."
] |
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Hey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle"
] |
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Guys, guys, this is not the WSB. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that."
] |
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Current Serbian government worried about losing its voter base? | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB."
] |
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Uh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?"
] |
>
The point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin"
] |
>
While yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime"
] |
>
What do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine."
] |
>
Since it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.
I doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows? | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters"
] |
>
Maybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then? | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?"
] |
>
Too many serbs simps for putin it seem | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?"
] |
>
well perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem"
] |
>
Blows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now"
] |
>
Boy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip… | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit"
] |
>
I read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…"
] |
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That sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it? | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect."
] |
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I don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?"
] |
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Chill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever."
] |
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We'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).
Russia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).
These small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read."
] |
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Serbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though."
] |
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I'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper."
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I really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D
[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution."
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Croatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.
There's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.
Governments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.
As for your edit:
The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.
That's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion."
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Serbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary."
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They got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it."
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It is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state."
] |
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If this is true .... NICE | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts."
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Whooops
Shouldn't have made an alliance with the devil | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE"
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But then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small "ethnic cleansing" scheme! | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil"
] |
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Most sane westerner. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!"
] |
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challenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible) | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner."
] |
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Serbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)"
] |
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Serbians hold Serbia back from joining this century | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it."
] |
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And Russia is like "Lol, YOUR people? | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century"
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if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?"
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Now we know where the next special military operation will be. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas"
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Why? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet? | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be."
] |
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They’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?"
] |
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If you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo"
] |
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It would
Just like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures
Just like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s.
Just like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months
Just like how every war of religion is completely irrational
If Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism
It's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table
Each new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.
The hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country."
] |
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Your drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan"
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Oh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,
Just look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.
More Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized.
It wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised."
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Why do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit?
I feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict"
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Must be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again."
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Russia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition"
] |
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Still recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover."
] |
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Blows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks."
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All Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia."
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I dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever."
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90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.
People simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly."
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What did the West do to Kosovo? | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008."
] |
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It doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.
And they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?"
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When I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly."
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Good luck to the both of you!
May the best man win!
🤣 | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia"
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Serbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’
Russia : ‘Noted’ | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣"
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Daddy, please stoppp!! | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’"
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Nyet | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!"
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Like Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet"
] |
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In other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.” | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s"
] |
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Imagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show.
Even if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?
My death would be pointless at best. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”"
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This comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.
What is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.
If you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.
If you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.
If you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.
If you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.
If you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.
If you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best."
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Barrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war… | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this."
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I guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…"
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This is the one. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home."
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Fuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war? | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one."
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No no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?"
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Muscovy
...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games? | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family."
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Some people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the "Rus" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. "Kyivan Rus" before. So they call the country by the main city again.
That's how I understand it, anyway. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?"
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...Muscovy, though?
Was "Moscow" also a stolen name? | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway."
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It harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?"
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Dearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country."
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they aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand.
and they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia."
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Wow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic"
] |
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Those data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.
And the article is about Serbia.
And the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.
It is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something... | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad."
] |
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