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[ "Ha jokes on you I WANT to smell like vomit", ">\n\nUsername checks out 🤷‍♀️", ">\n\nBut fr you're out yer mind coconut oil smells good always 🥥💚", ">\n\nNot in my hair it doesn't - only as a lotion and rum 😆", ">\n\nHave you done proper experiments to exclude the possibility of rancid choices in oil/people? 🧑‍🔬🧬", ">\n\nIronically persons most likely to smell like rancid coconut oil happen to also be pretty rancid people, so you may be on to something 🤔", ">\n\nWell. I can't say I've ever bumped into this opinion before. Five stars! With bonus points for your vivid description and scientific research.", ">\n\nHmm, I once had some favourite Thai food that reminded me of vomit. I returned it and they said they had used too much coconut. I wonder how fast it spoils if it is kept warm for the customers for possibly hours. This was the single problem in two decades of being customer at that restaurant.", ">\n\nThere are people out there that put mayo in their hair. I have to imagine that is worse.", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion. I love coconut oil in my hair, not just because it smells good, but because it is the only thing that really makes my ends look and stay healthy. I am obsessed with everything coconut. My hair loves it.", ">\n\nI'm afraid to tell you...it only smells good when initially applied. \nIt doesn't smell good when it reacts with the heat of your scalp and eventually spoils. Like I said, you don't realize it because your nose is directed away from your scalp, but ask a friend or family member to smell your hair after not washing for a few days.", ">\n\nI'm afraid to tell you.... It smells really good and I've never ever smelt applied coconut anything and have smelled \" vomit \". \nEither your nose is fucked or you got shit taste", ">\n\nNope! Like I said. Only smells good straight out of the bottle. You're physically incapable of smelling your own scalp.\nEveryone around you can smell it. Other hair oils like Argan, primrose, castor oil etc don't go rancid when exposed to heat like coconut oil does.", ">\n\nthese ‘everyone around you’ people on reddit are so tired. I’m sorry if you only hang around meek lil dorks. If i smelled off in any capacity you better believe my loud and confident and loving homies/partner/family would immediately say ‘wtf is that smell?’", ">\n\nQuick question as i'm absolutely not in this topic but you said when the oil spoils it starts smelling like vomit. How is it smelling like vomit then the moment they put the oil in their hair? I mean yeah you said it spoils fast (for which i don't have proof nor motivation to look it up so i trust you on this one), but like 10 seconds fast? I can't imagine that tbh. Maybe your either very very sensitive to that smell or a smell that is in general known to be good just isn't for you?", ">\n\nI was curious about this too as I've never experienced anything but a lovely coconut smell from coconut oil, couldn't find a shred of evidence for heat spoiling but some people seem to think that they're having some kind of reaction to the oil that causes this smell. This person probably has one person who attends the gym regularly who is having this reaction to the oil and hasn't realised, some people really are just nose blind!", ">\n\nReacts to heat. Read above. Not bad straight out of bottle. \nAnd it's several gym goers I'm afraid.", ">\n\nHi I've searched for evidence of heat affecting coconut oil and found nothing, have you got non-anecdotal evidence? You can use it in cooking what's a hair dryer going to do to it?", ">\n\nMentions nothing about butyric acid being formed in the process", ">\n\nPlus that article seems to be a study on the practices of street vendors selling oils from recycled bottles I don't see how it in any way furthers your point", ">\n\nSomeone's defensive about the smelly hair...", ">\n\nIt's all your faux-science that made me stop and take notice tbh" ]

[ "Ha jokes on you I WANT to smell like vomit", ">\n\nUsername checks out 🤷‍♀️", ">\n\nBut fr you're out yer mind coconut oil smells good always 🥥💚", ">\n\nNot in my hair it doesn't - only as a lotion and rum 😆", ">\n\nHave you done proper experiments to exclude the possibility of rancid choices in oil/people? 🧑‍🔬🧬", ">\n\nIronically persons most likely to smell like rancid coconut oil happen to also be pretty rancid people, so you may be on to something 🤔", ">\n\nWell. I can't say I've ever bumped into this opinion before. Five stars! With bonus points for your vivid description and scientific research.", ">\n\nHmm, I once had some favourite Thai food that reminded me of vomit. I returned it and they said they had used too much coconut. I wonder how fast it spoils if it is kept warm for the customers for possibly hours. This was the single problem in two decades of being customer at that restaurant.", ">\n\nThere are people out there that put mayo in their hair. I have to imagine that is worse.", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion. I love coconut oil in my hair, not just because it smells good, but because it is the only thing that really makes my ends look and stay healthy. I am obsessed with everything coconut. My hair loves it.", ">\n\nI'm afraid to tell you...it only smells good when initially applied. \nIt doesn't smell good when it reacts with the heat of your scalp and eventually spoils. Like I said, you don't realize it because your nose is directed away from your scalp, but ask a friend or family member to smell your hair after not washing for a few days.", ">\n\nI'm afraid to tell you.... It smells really good and I've never ever smelt applied coconut anything and have smelled \" vomit \". \nEither your nose is fucked or you got shit taste", ">\n\nNope! Like I said. Only smells good straight out of the bottle. You're physically incapable of smelling your own scalp.\nEveryone around you can smell it. Other hair oils like Argan, primrose, castor oil etc don't go rancid when exposed to heat like coconut oil does.", ">\n\nthese ‘everyone around you’ people on reddit are so tired. I’m sorry if you only hang around meek lil dorks. If i smelled off in any capacity you better believe my loud and confident and loving homies/partner/family would immediately say ‘wtf is that smell?’", ">\n\nQuick question as i'm absolutely not in this topic but you said when the oil spoils it starts smelling like vomit. How is it smelling like vomit then the moment they put the oil in their hair? I mean yeah you said it spoils fast (for which i don't have proof nor motivation to look it up so i trust you on this one), but like 10 seconds fast? I can't imagine that tbh. Maybe your either very very sensitive to that smell or a smell that is in general known to be good just isn't for you?", ">\n\nI was curious about this too as I've never experienced anything but a lovely coconut smell from coconut oil, couldn't find a shred of evidence for heat spoiling but some people seem to think that they're having some kind of reaction to the oil that causes this smell. This person probably has one person who attends the gym regularly who is having this reaction to the oil and hasn't realised, some people really are just nose blind!", ">\n\nReacts to heat. Read above. Not bad straight out of bottle. \nAnd it's several gym goers I'm afraid.", ">\n\nHi I've searched for evidence of heat affecting coconut oil and found nothing, have you got non-anecdotal evidence? You can use it in cooking what's a hair dryer going to do to it?", ">\n\nMentions nothing about butyric acid being formed in the process", ">\n\nPlus that article seems to be a study on the practices of street vendors selling oils from recycled bottles I don't see how it in any way furthers your point", ">\n\nSomeone's defensive about the smelly hair...", ">\n\nIt's all your faux-science that made me stop and take notice tbh", ">\n\nAmerica puts butyric acid in their chocolate and that’s way grosser." ]

[ "Ha jokes on you I WANT to smell like vomit", ">\n\nUsername checks out 🤷‍♀️", ">\n\nBut fr you're out yer mind coconut oil smells good always 🥥💚", ">\n\nNot in my hair it doesn't - only as a lotion and rum 😆", ">\n\nHave you done proper experiments to exclude the possibility of rancid choices in oil/people? 🧑‍🔬🧬", ">\n\nIronically persons most likely to smell like rancid coconut oil happen to also be pretty rancid people, so you may be on to something 🤔", ">\n\nWell. I can't say I've ever bumped into this opinion before. Five stars! With bonus points for your vivid description and scientific research.", ">\n\nHmm, I once had some favourite Thai food that reminded me of vomit. I returned it and they said they had used too much coconut. I wonder how fast it spoils if it is kept warm for the customers for possibly hours. This was the single problem in two decades of being customer at that restaurant.", ">\n\nThere are people out there that put mayo in their hair. I have to imagine that is worse.", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion. I love coconut oil in my hair, not just because it smells good, but because it is the only thing that really makes my ends look and stay healthy. I am obsessed with everything coconut. My hair loves it.", ">\n\nI'm afraid to tell you...it only smells good when initially applied. \nIt doesn't smell good when it reacts with the heat of your scalp and eventually spoils. Like I said, you don't realize it because your nose is directed away from your scalp, but ask a friend or family member to smell your hair after not washing for a few days.", ">\n\nI'm afraid to tell you.... It smells really good and I've never ever smelt applied coconut anything and have smelled \" vomit \". \nEither your nose is fucked or you got shit taste", ">\n\nNope! Like I said. Only smells good straight out of the bottle. You're physically incapable of smelling your own scalp.\nEveryone around you can smell it. Other hair oils like Argan, primrose, castor oil etc don't go rancid when exposed to heat like coconut oil does.", ">\n\nthese ‘everyone around you’ people on reddit are so tired. I’m sorry if you only hang around meek lil dorks. If i smelled off in any capacity you better believe my loud and confident and loving homies/partner/family would immediately say ‘wtf is that smell?’", ">\n\nQuick question as i'm absolutely not in this topic but you said when the oil spoils it starts smelling like vomit. How is it smelling like vomit then the moment they put the oil in their hair? I mean yeah you said it spoils fast (for which i don't have proof nor motivation to look it up so i trust you on this one), but like 10 seconds fast? I can't imagine that tbh. Maybe your either very very sensitive to that smell or a smell that is in general known to be good just isn't for you?", ">\n\nI was curious about this too as I've never experienced anything but a lovely coconut smell from coconut oil, couldn't find a shred of evidence for heat spoiling but some people seem to think that they're having some kind of reaction to the oil that causes this smell. This person probably has one person who attends the gym regularly who is having this reaction to the oil and hasn't realised, some people really are just nose blind!", ">\n\nReacts to heat. Read above. Not bad straight out of bottle. \nAnd it's several gym goers I'm afraid.", ">\n\nHi I've searched for evidence of heat affecting coconut oil and found nothing, have you got non-anecdotal evidence? You can use it in cooking what's a hair dryer going to do to it?", ">\n\nMentions nothing about butyric acid being formed in the process", ">\n\nPlus that article seems to be a study on the practices of street vendors selling oils from recycled bottles I don't see how it in any way furthers your point", ">\n\nSomeone's defensive about the smelly hair...", ">\n\nIt's all your faux-science that made me stop and take notice tbh", ">\n\nAmerica puts butyric acid in their chocolate and that’s way grosser.", ">\n\nI have to agree with you! Hersheys is absolutely foul! \nLindt is my goto. It was Cadbury before Hersheys bought it and tainted it." ]

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[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . ." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\"." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad…." ]