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[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school....." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on..." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.", ">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.", ">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.", ">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.", ">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.", ">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.", ">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.", ">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.", ">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.", ">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes", ">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.", ">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.", ">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.", ">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes", ">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing", ">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.", ">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.", ">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.", ">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes", ">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing", ">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing", ">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.", ">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.", ">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.", ">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes", ">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing", ">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing", ">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats", ">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.", ">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.", ">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.", ">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes", ">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing", ">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing", ">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats", ">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄", ">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.", ">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.", ">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.", ">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes", ">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing", ">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing", ">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats", ">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄", ">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!", ">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.", ">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.", ">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.", ">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes", ">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing", ">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing", ">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats", ">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄", ">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!", ">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.", ">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.", ">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.", ">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.", ">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes", ">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing", ">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing", ">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats", ">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄", ">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!", ">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.", ">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.", ">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.", ">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.", ">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.", ">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes", ">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing", ">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing", ">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats", ">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄", ">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!", ">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.", ">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.", ">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄", ">\n\nNot really even bothered by this. It's better than slapping or spanking kids, which is acceptable in much of the south. \nIf I were a parent, I'd consent to passive punishments such as these, in favor of more traditional, corporal punishments used here in New Mexico as well as Texas." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.", ">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.", ">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.", ">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes", ">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing", ">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing", ">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats", ">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄", ">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!", ">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.", ">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.", ">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄", ">\n\nNot really even bothered by this. It's better than slapping or spanking kids, which is acceptable in much of the south. \nIf I were a parent, I'd consent to passive punishments such as these, in favor of more traditional, corporal punishments used here in New Mexico as well as Texas.", ">\n\nDo this is my adult workout class and the max time is usually 90 seconds. This is disturbing af!" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.", ">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.", ">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.", ">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes", ">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing", ">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing", ">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats", ">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄", ">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!", ">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.", ">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.", ">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄", ">\n\nNot really even bothered by this. It's better than slapping or spanking kids, which is acceptable in much of the south. \nIf I were a parent, I'd consent to passive punishments such as these, in favor of more traditional, corporal punishments used here in New Mexico as well as Texas.", ">\n\nDo this is my adult workout class and the max time is usually 90 seconds. This is disturbing af!", ">\n\nThis is why you should train your children to behave properly. He was interrupting the education of his class mates. Parents should discipline their children at home. Instead they do nothing. Children then learn they can do whatever they want without punishment. \nHow does the parent want her child disciplined? You can’t spank them. You can’t put them in timeout. You can’t do wall sits. Should he get a treat or award for misbehaving?" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.", ">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.", ">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.", ">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes", ">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing", ">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing", ">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats", ">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄", ">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!", ">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.", ">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.", ">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄", ">\n\nNot really even bothered by this. It's better than slapping or spanking kids, which is acceptable in much of the south. \nIf I were a parent, I'd consent to passive punishments such as these, in favor of more traditional, corporal punishments used here in New Mexico as well as Texas.", ">\n\nDo this is my adult workout class and the max time is usually 90 seconds. This is disturbing af!", ">\n\nThis is why you should train your children to behave properly. He was interrupting the education of his class mates. Parents should discipline their children at home. Instead they do nothing. Children then learn they can do whatever they want without punishment. \nHow does the parent want her child disciplined? You can’t spank them. You can’t put them in timeout. You can’t do wall sits. Should he get a treat or award for misbehaving?", ">\n\nAssuming a lot here buddy lmao" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.", ">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.", ">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.", ">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes", ">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing", ">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing", ">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats", ">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄", ">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!", ">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.", ">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.", ">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄", ">\n\nNot really even bothered by this. It's better than slapping or spanking kids, which is acceptable in much of the south. \nIf I were a parent, I'd consent to passive punishments such as these, in favor of more traditional, corporal punishments used here in New Mexico as well as Texas.", ">\n\nDo this is my adult workout class and the max time is usually 90 seconds. This is disturbing af!", ">\n\nThis is why you should train your children to behave properly. He was interrupting the education of his class mates. Parents should discipline their children at home. Instead they do nothing. Children then learn they can do whatever they want without punishment. \nHow does the parent want her child disciplined? You can’t spank them. You can’t put them in timeout. You can’t do wall sits. Should he get a treat or award for misbehaving?", ">\n\nAssuming a lot here buddy lmao", ">\n\nsounds like a japanese POW camp in WW2." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.", ">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.", ">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.", ">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes", ">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing", ">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing", ">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats", ">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄", ">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!", ">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.", ">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.", ">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄", ">\n\nNot really even bothered by this. It's better than slapping or spanking kids, which is acceptable in much of the south. \nIf I were a parent, I'd consent to passive punishments such as these, in favor of more traditional, corporal punishments used here in New Mexico as well as Texas.", ">\n\nDo this is my adult workout class and the max time is usually 90 seconds. This is disturbing af!", ">\n\nThis is why you should train your children to behave properly. He was interrupting the education of his class mates. Parents should discipline their children at home. Instead they do nothing. Children then learn they can do whatever they want without punishment. \nHow does the parent want her child disciplined? You can’t spank them. You can’t put them in timeout. You can’t do wall sits. Should he get a treat or award for misbehaving?", ">\n\nAssuming a lot here buddy lmao", ">\n\nsounds like a japanese POW camp in WW2.", ">\n\nOne of my old hs teachers used to give us the option to do wall sits/planks instead of formal write ups when we acted up in class. I coulda been rich and retired by now." ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.", ">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.", ">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.", ">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes", ">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing", ">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing", ">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats", ">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄", ">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!", ">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.", ">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.", ">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄", ">\n\nNot really even bothered by this. It's better than slapping or spanking kids, which is acceptable in much of the south. \nIf I were a parent, I'd consent to passive punishments such as these, in favor of more traditional, corporal punishments used here in New Mexico as well as Texas.", ">\n\nDo this is my adult workout class and the max time is usually 90 seconds. This is disturbing af!", ">\n\nThis is why you should train your children to behave properly. He was interrupting the education of his class mates. Parents should discipline their children at home. Instead they do nothing. Children then learn they can do whatever they want without punishment. \nHow does the parent want her child disciplined? You can’t spank them. You can’t put them in timeout. You can’t do wall sits. Should he get a treat or award for misbehaving?", ">\n\nAssuming a lot here buddy lmao", ">\n\nsounds like a japanese POW camp in WW2.", ">\n\nOne of my old hs teachers used to give us the option to do wall sits/planks instead of formal write ups when we acted up in class. I coulda been rich and retired by now.", ">\n\nWell I did not get you ? How can you be rich by doing wall planks ?" ]

[ "In elementary school we did this and our gym teacher said if we could do it more than ten minutes he would buy us McDonald’s. The class ended and a kid was still doing it, he got his McDonald’s and a Walkman from the teacher.", ">\n\nIf the teacher wasn’t using this strengthening exercise as a punishment, and instead offered a reward as positive reinforcement, the kid would have gone home saying “I got to..” instead of “I was forced to…”.\nIt is possible, however, this kid’s choices weren’t screaming “give me an opportunity to earn a treat.”", ">\n\nWe need to know what the kid did, really. And if kids I know was mouthing off while sitting", ">\n\nWe do not. Physical punishments issued by a teacher under literally any circumstances should be a serious crime punishable by dismissal, fines, or perhaps even jailtime for serious offences", ">\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\nSomeone being in a regular class, deservers a remark and be sent to the principal or something but not corporeal punishment by that teacher", ">\n\n\nContext does matter though. A kid in PE class mouthing off to the teacher and or being a shit head, deservers to do 30-50 pushups.\n\nThey arent marines you fucking jarhead!", ">\n\nI mean I went a bit overboard. But kids should still be punished for wrongdoings. \nTone done the punishment to a fair amount per age group and an essay on why they did what they did was wrong and maybe that's better. In a sense that the essay has to be about the activity and they have to demonstrate it for so and so many reps or minutes.\nBut i still think that the punishment should be in the same field as the material or class you are doing, in a way that could be a learning experience.\nAlso calling me a fucking jarhead for a few pushups is going to far.\nThe kids aren't marines sure. But they should be able to do a few pushups. Did i go too far with how many they had to do? Maybe. Maybe make it 5 per infraction that way it would be a deterrent and make em do it after class. Or do the thing I mentioned above.", ">\n\nEvery fitness person is thinking \"15 MINUTES!?\". Make that teacher do a 30 minute one.", ">\n\nyou must have missed the water polo guys and rowers talking about one HOUR long wall sits for training.\nCan we make students do pushups instead? Flutter kicks?", ">\n\nI had a teacher do this to me in like 5th or 6th grade. It was definitely more than 10 minutes. And he also made it a point to tell everyone in the class that because I couldn't do a pushup he's making me do a wall sit instead. I was new to the school, and it basically set the tone of my social life for the next many years.", ">\n\nYeah, I don't think these people saying there's no way this happened are giving kids their due. They can be tough little things, with lots of energy. Of course, that doesn't make it okay to do.\nI know for a fact that it's possible, at least for a 6th grader. We had recess detention. I chose to write lines the entire time, they chose the wall sit. And it lasted 15 minutes, at least. From bell to bell.", ">\n\nAlso Wallsits get trivial with lower weight.\nThat’s like wondering why some elementary school kid can do more pull-ups than a random gym bro, or be better at climbing.\nIf you don‘t weigh much, you don‘t need loads of muscle to keep your weight up.", ">\n\nThis very much. I used to be super light as a teenager and although I was not super strong, my stamina was through the roof. I could climb mountains for hours super fast and never feel tired. I miss those days.", ">\n\nThat kid did a 15 minute wall sit? Daaaamn. Fucked up thing to do to a kid though.", ">\n\nI recall having to do a couple minutes at a basketball camp and being so sore the next day. That seems insanely long.", ">\n\nI rowed in college, we’d do hour long wall sit sessions. The key is shifting pressure back and forth between your legs and making sure your feet and your back have a ton of grip on the ground and the wall to avoid any additional strain.", ">\n\nWater polo: brick wall, no shirt, 1 hour. You don’t quit, dear God don’t quit.", ">\n\nI did crew for many years. Water polo isn't really a thing around here, so I don't now a lot about it. Which do you think is a more pretentious sport?", ">\n\nYou think your canoe is more pretentious than synchronized water dancing on a horse?", ">\n\nDressage comes to mind. Also, not a canoe!! It's a shell!", ">\n\n\nIt's a shell!\n\nA hollow husk of its former nautical self.", ">\n\nHere's the wiki for a wall sit: link\n15 minutes is a very long time to do it. It's described as being like a 'jetliner position', which can be used as a form of physical torment.", ">\n\nThanks. When I read the title I was like \"oh no... the poor thing had to sit at a wall for 15 minutes 🙄\"\nThen all the comments where like \"whole that's fucked up.\" And I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what a wall sit was.", ">\n\nYou're not the only one.\nI guess over time the more sadistic teachers have come up with punishments they never dreamt of using when I was young.", ">\n\nThey've been doing wall sits in the army since walls were invented.", ">\n\nShit, I was trying to figure out why I know exactly what a wall sit is...my dad was army..\nMust have shown me, but I don't remember anything.", ">\n\nIt’s pretty common in youth sports.", ">\n\nThere is a nationwide shortage of teachers primarily due to low pay and shitty parents. When that happens you get idiots like this in the classroom because school systems are desperate. If this is true that teacher should be fired on the spot.", ">\n\nMy daughter had a sub that was apparently a hardcore religious fanatic. He spent the class period telling all the girls that they should be ashamed for not wearing dresses and that they'd never find a husband. The kids immediately reported him.. and they still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\" because they had no one else(According to an email about the incident). \nI'm glad she's in middle school so she only had to deal with him for one period instead of all day.\nIn my state, they have a short course you can take to be a sub if you have a highschool diploma or GED. These \"subs\" are teaching for the entire year in some cases, though.", ">\n\n\nthey still had him finish out the day with the principal \"checking in often\"\n\nAt least the Principal wasn't like \"So?\"... but yeah that sub should have been walked out and the Principal should have finished their day himself even if it just meant \"Let's watch a movie about sea birds\" (or not, see reply below)", ">\n\nSchool admin here: it’s VERY hard for us to sub even for 15 minutes, as all student behavior and safety issues ultimately come to us.\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue. Subbing the rest of the day in a class is nearly impossible.", ">\n\n\nI can’t go more than about 20min without needing to investigate a student behavior issue.\n\nAs a parent of a child with executive dysfunction,.. I believe you 😞\nIt sounds like the admin did the best they could in that situation.", ">\n\nThank you for all you do for your child. Our kids need more support than ever — and it’s no one’s fault.\nI know people want to blame parents, or teachers, or admin. It’s no one’s fault.\nOur kids just need love, attention, and support more than ever. Thank you for what you do at home!", ">\n\nAww thank YOU 👉🙂👉", ">\n\nI'm more concerned about the part where it says the PE coach got in his face because he wouldn't run because he has asthma.", ">\n\nFor those wondering, this is a wall sit. You're holding a squat position while leaning against the wall.\nThis wasn't asking the child to sit in the floor or in a chair against the wall.\nHis legs were shaking and hurting from holding that position for so long, as you'd expect.", ">\n\nNext week is kneeling on rice.", ">\n\nyou get a free upgrade to legos if you stop wincing", ">\n\nI walk over legos", ">\n\nkneeling on them is kinda different though.", ">\n\n\n\"The principal told me the staff wasn’t supposed to be acting in such a manner.\"\n\nThe principal probably doesn't know what's going on in their own school because there are a lot of half-assed pieces of shit in school administration.", ">\n\nOr, because he is the principal of an Oklahoma school, he knows exactly what’s going on, and that’s what he signed up for.", ">\n\nI used to coach kids for gymnastics and climbing, at an actual competitive level. We'd do these sometimes. Anything over a minute and a half is crazy, even in that context, and not great for developing joints.", ">\n\nReally? I remember doing 3-5 minutes with little effort. I played soccer though if that changes anything idk", ">\n\nYeah I did like 5 minutes in high school p.e. class for a benchmark or something. Didn't play any sports nor exercised, I was fairly thin, probably ~130 lbs. Definitely felt the burn but it didn't take much effort and I could've gone longer if we hadn't moved on. Probably 1/3 of the class was able to do it no problem, so it didn't seem like a big deal.\nBtw, not discounting what the kid in the article did. I'm sure 15 minutes would suck real bad. Especially that young. Really shitty thing for a teacher to do to a kid.", ">\n\nI feel the same. We never did it as a punishment—just for bragging rights— and we held it until even the coach would say Okay, Okay….\n15 minutes would have been ungodly", ">\n\nIf safety was a priority you wouldn’t keep someone on staff that hurt a child.\nMom is right for pulling the child out that is insane.", ">\n\nTrue. \nBut also, if safety was a priority you wouldn’t live in or send your kid to school in Oklahoma. \nOklahoma explicitly allows corporal punishment for virtually all students. Because apparently kids need to be beat into submission to learn their multiplication tables. \nBut…it’s no surprise that beating the shit out of kids isn’t good policy. \nOklahoma is 42nd in education. 42nd in education among the 50 states. Every state that is worse than it also allows corporal punishment. \nOklahoma doesn’t give two shits about safety or life. \nOklahoma is also home to: \n\n\nthe country’s sixth highest suicide rate \n\n\none of the the country’s lowest life expectancy rates (46th worst, at 76.0 years compared to 80+ years for blue states like NY, MA, CA, CT and NJ.", ">\n\nSafety can be a priority but it doesn't mean you can afford it e.g. affording food/shelter has to take priority over affording leaving the state of Oklahoma.\nOklahoma sucks though, no doubt.", ">\n\nOklahoma also has the 43rd lowest median household income in the country. \nSo yes, moving may be expensive, but staying in Oklahoma only guarantees you fall further behind everyone else. \nYou end up having multi-generational poverty because nobody can afford shit due to low wages and GOP governance that fucks workers every turn of the way. \nIt’s no surprise that Oklahoma’s minimum wage is the LOWEST in the country at $7.25.", ">\n\nI mean if you don't have the $ to move you just don't. Most people are barely able to pay bills on time with payment arrangements being the norm. Do they not eat or have electricity? Not sure what your plan would be in those cases.", ">\n\nOklahoma has nearly a 10% sales tax on groceries and clothes. \nNY exempts groceries (and clothing items under $110) from sales taxes. \nFolks struggling to eat and buy clothes probably would be better served to avoid states like Oklahoma that add highly regressive a 10% “fuck you” tax to necessary survival items like food and clothes.", ">\n\nSo what you're saying is that THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED THERE.", ">\n\nNot only that, it's their fault that they're trapped there. I don't buy the \"smug rich liberal\" caricature, but guys like them make it really hard to not buy into it just a little.", ">\n\nWe did this in grade school in Oklahoma in the nineties, but only for ten minutes if we were in trouble. The punishment I hated the most was called a “suicide.” You had to run from one line and back and touch every line and come back- and if you didn’t do it in time you had to do bleachers. You had to run all the way up bleachers and back down. I got so frustrated with the way they treated us I eventually just walked or sat down and refused to move. They’d threaten us with in school suspension or swats, but I didn’t care really, and just refused. I’m surprised they’re still doing this bs to kids.", ">\n\nWell it's not really allowed in public schools. It would be seen as corporal punishment, seeing as it directly causes physical pain.", ">\n\nCorporal punishment is legal in all of the south also I don't think forced exercise is the same thing as paddling etc.", ">\n\nI’m 72 so haven’t had any PE in 50 years, so I had to Google “wall sit” to understand why this was considered a punishment. I originally thought he was merely asked to sit on a wall. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Once I saw what it entails, I could understand how difficult it would be for a the boy pictured. As a classic Nerd in school PE was my nightmare, between running laps, climbing ropes, dodging balls, and other exercises I’ve luckily forgotten, I thank God found other more enjoyable endeavors.", ">\n\nAt least it wasn’t burpees", ">\n\nI want to know why burpees used to be ridiculously easy, and now they're super hard. Perhaps it's because I no longer weight 80 pounds . . .", ">\n\nI had to do this as a form of punishment IN THE CANADIAN NAVY, wich was fair.\nA kid should not have to do this", ">\n\nI had to do this in middle school as punishment. We used to have physical detentions.", ">\n\nMy brother was taking a karate class once. He did something wrong, and for punishment he had to be down on the floor with his hands underneath his knees, and forehead touching the floor for the remainder of the class. When he was allowed to sit up, his face was completely swollen. We never went back to that class.", ">\n\nIf that were my kid, I would have gone back to that class exactly once, and that would be to beat the shit out of that instructor in front of his class.", ">\n\nBut if the guy knows karate?", ">\n\nFormer karate instructor here. My experience was that the majority of instructors in most American-based martial arts styles probably aren’t hard to beat up.\nYes, I know your sensei is the exception and a badass.", ">\n\nYeah..... It's mostly show. Never even needed a real full speed spar to get a black belt here.", ">\n\nTeacher went full drill sergeant.", ">\n\nI heard they were relaxing standards to allow veterans as teachers but this is ridiculous.", ">\n\nQuads are jacked. Can probably dunk a basketball now.", ">\n\nAbsolute god quad", ">\n\nI don’t believe this. A 15 minute wall sit is an incredible feat that this kid most certainly did not accomplish.", ">\n\nJust because some of ya'll in the comments had to do this in school including me, It doesn't make it right, Its a valid disagreement on how to punish a kid. This made the boy a target of ridicule and thats never ok.", ">\n\nImpressive core strength.", ">\n\nyeah right, that's impressive strenght actually", ">\n\nso this is actually weird, my aunt used to give this same punishment to me when she babysat me. i don’t think it was ever this long, maybe like 5 minutes. but if we fell it would add on 30s.", ">\n\nI remember being the overly competitive kid in high school that tortured myself with a 10 minute wall sit as a freshman, just so I could beat the senior who was supposed to be a god tier athlete. I had the top mark in the school at just over 10 minutes. I wish somebody took video of me trying to participate in football practice after that. I guarantee I looked like a newborn fawn taking its first steps lol\nThat being said, most kids were tapping out under a minute. Only the good athletes were making it to 2-3, and the all state kids were all between 5-10. All I know is that half of our school was walking around like Jack Sparrow for a couple days after that competition lol 15 minutes is absurd for 99.9% of the population.", ">\n\nWe had to do wall sits if we acted like assholes. Just sayin", ">\n\nWait a minute. I had a lunch lady in elementary school (90s) that made us do wall sits! Am I entitled to compensation?", ">\n\nonly if the wall sits caused your mesothelioma", ">\n\nRoutine punishment when I lived in Texas. Decades ago.", ">\n\nBuild him a strong base, but damn you don’t start at 15 mins. The fuck kind of medieval bullshit are these hicks on?\nI’m actually surprised he did it because after 2, I’m cooked.", ">\n\nWhen my autistic brother was in kindergarten the teacher didn’t know how to help him or how to properly teach him to behave because the only thing the special needs teachers knew to do was to either pin them down if they were a threat or lock them away from everyone. When my brother didn’t listen to them the locked him in a small room that could be considered a closet and left him their until he behaved. At the end of the school year the principal told my mother that he had been locked up more that any other kid in the DISTRICT. We tried to sue them but nothing ever came from that. We could only move him to a different school", ">\n\nI want to find a source that confirms it was a 15 minute wall sit and not the kid saying \"I had to wall sit for like 15 minutes\".", ">\n\nAt Taiko Dojo we had to do what they called \"horse squats\", it's like a wall sit except your feet are spread apart 90° and there's no wall.\nBasically it was a warm up as well as a punishment. Anyway we'd need to do that for like 30 seconds or a minute if we were messing around. Kids would continue to mess around and make each other laugh and fall over, so the timer would reset", ">\n\nNow this child has a 45” vertical jump as measured during recess, playing basketball", ">\n\nThis story is kind of suspect. I wrestled as a kid and wall sits were a pretty frequent punishment for whatever. There isnt a universe where I could’ve done anywhere near a 15 minute wall sit. Either this kid is superman or he is exaggerating.", ">\n\nI agree it sounds like the kid was exaggerating. Teacher probably shouldn't make the kid do that but I doubt exercise is going to hurt the kid.", ">\n\n\"exercise\" stress positions are used as torture during interrogations but okay", ">\n\nI'm honestly surprised everyone automatically believes the kid who keeps getting in trouble. Kids can't tell time very well and I've never seen a kid do a proper 15 min wall sit. EVER. As many pointed out that is top athlete condition. Maybe he was on the wall for 15 minutes but no way was he was correctly wall sitting. I need video proof of that to entertain this and again I can't believe we believe the kid. This is what is wrong with USA, the kids are the boss. Act however they want and cry a little because of consequences. Then make the punishment seem so horrible that whatever behavior was trying to be addressed is lost in the mele of somebody is being mean to my kid.", ">\n\nApparently this was some sort of twisted get back by the coach because he refused to run the week before because he has asthma\nA lot of sadists gravitate towards working in schools because kids are powerless, parents are too busy, and school administrators enjoy wielding power for power's sake", ">\n\nThe day he wouldn’t run because of asthma, his teacher made him do 30 pushups in front of the class. He looks like someone an aggressive PE teacher would single out to bully. I feel bad for him.", ">\n\nDid these myself for clowning around with the guys in gym class 😂I wonder what the kid did?", ">\n\nSquat day has entered the chat", ">\n\nWho else held up their step father's boots in the corner while he watched your cartoons?", ">\n\nAnd i thought standing in the corner was bad….", ">\n\nIn other news … he is the only kid at the school who can dunk a basketball", ">\n\nThis was standard at soccer practice when I was in middle school.....", ">\n\nWhen I was in elementary school, they made us sit on the wall a lot, all the time. Until I read this article, right now, I didn't recongnize that as being fucked up.\nFuck.", ">\n\nWhen we would act up in 6th grade, our writing teacher sent us outside to do jumping jacks until he came out and said we could stop. Reading this news story makes me realize how messed up he was for that.", ">\n\nI thought to myself \"This is the dumbest story ever. Big whoop, BOO HOO!\" Then I went and tried a wall sit. Two minutes later, I agree this is fucked up.", ">\n\nAmong the regular beatings, canings, slaps, humiliation, etc, for punishment our teachers would make us push a wall until we moved it an X amount of centimeters. At the end of the year, there would be lines of kids in the hallway, pushing a wall they knew damn well would not budge. The teachers would tell us it's for our own good, that they're helping us learn some important lesson in life, but the only thing they truly taught me is that they were fucking assholes, and made me feel bad about myself for being happy as they died off one by one, as we got older. Nothing else.\nEdit: 90's rural Serbia", ">\n\nIt is a fact that forcing someone to sit against a wall--placing extreme strain on the legs for prolonged periods of time--is one of the \"stress positions\" used by the CIA in post-9/11 \"enhanced interrogation\" (read: torture) techniques.", ">\n\nAnd that day Jimmy did NOT skip leg day.", ">\n\nSomething tells me the kid is lying ...a 15 min wall sit.... 15 min ... Then again it's probably the mom exaggerating not the child.", ">\n\nI mean, the kid doesn't necessarily need to be lying, although that could be true. Kids have very poor perceptions of time. On top of that, time stands completely still when doing wall sits. \nI doubt it was actually 15 minutes. Either way, wall sits aren't an appropriate punishment.", ">\n\nI distinctly remember, in 6th grade, watching a kid do a wall sit for the entire length of recess - 15 minutes. We had the choice to write sentences or do the wall sit. He chose the wall sit.\nI actually saw this and was confused. I thought this was normal?\nAnd I graduated in 2012, it's not like I'm ancient.", ">\n\nJust Oklahoma things. There's not enough people willing to do the harder and lesser paying jobs, so you get places where they have to let despicable and terrible people work these kind of important jobs.", ">\n\nA PE teacher bullying kids? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!", ">\n\nMultiple teachers have had issues with this child, according to the article. They don't call it out specifically, but this isn't an isolated bad-teacher incident.", ">\n\nMultiple adults put their heads together to come up with a solution to a problem child and the best they could come up with was..... *checks notes* *re-reads article to be sure* physical abuse?\nAnd I'm supposed to be mad at the kid?", ">\n\nNot the kid. The parents. The parents who allowed their child to repeatedly misbehave then cried fowl when others had to step in. To an adult who grew up during real corporal punishment in schools and had parents who punished again at home, this story comes across as....one-sided at the minimum.", ">\n\nAhh yes...\n\"I was physically abused at school AND at home! I'm not capable of feeling bad for people if they don't have it at least as bad as I did.\"\nNot the take you think it is.", ">\n\nOh, I feel bad for the kid, just not because he got punished for bad behavior. \nOh, BTW: purposefully misunderstanding what I said and then assuming my emotional capacity...not a good look for ya.", ">\n\n\"I know what real physical abuse looks like, both in school and at home, because I experienced it, and I don't believe that this story is an example of physical abuse.\"\nI believe that is a fair summary of your comment. And you are wrong for thinking that way. That's where my assumption about your \"emotional capacity\" comes from.\nMaking a child hold a wall squat against their will is physical abuse, just like paddling or cracking their knuckles with a ruler is also physical abuse. Just because they could have it worse does not mean they are not being physically abused by adults who are trusted with their safety.\nEdit: And just to clarify, we are talking about a fucking third grader.", ">\n\nHigh school classes should include child development, I swear.\nIn my daughter's high school, they made the girls, just the girls, carry around a ten pound sack of flour for two weeks to teach them what a burden it is having a baby. Honest to god. In my liberal city. That's the extent of the parenting education. She was disgusted. Some of the girls threw the bags out of upper windows, but others dressed them up like babies. Completely useless.", ">\n\nGive me a break lady. Notice she doesn’t say what her son did to be sent to the wall.", ">\n\nMy son is an angel, he would never do what the teacher is accusing him of", ">\n\nShe said she was going to talk to them about his behavior as well as their punishment.", ">\n\nSounds like her kid needs to follow the rules.", ">\n\nSounds a lot more like the teacher & any other faculty involved need to educate themselves on how to properly educate others. 🤷‍♂️ At least the principal allegedly gives a crap.", ">\n\nTo what extent? How long can a child not listen? Parents let ipads teach their kids now.", ">\n\nPeople should be able to question the relevance of reporting this. This is not news.", ">\n\nLink not working for me. Whats a wall sit?", ">\n\nI'm sure Google works", ">\n\nCool. Here, they just tape kindergartners to chairs and threaten the other kids if they talk.", ">\n\nMy Oklahoma Junior High used public push-ups as a form of punishment for absolutely everything. I was a chubby anxious kid and at nearly 40 I still have nightmares about not being able to get to my next class before the bell rings.", ">\n\nDo we know what the kid did to warrant a punishment? Did the kid do something wrong or did he say \"I should not do this specific physical activity because of my asthma.\"", ">\n\nOur teacher's idea of a non-violent punishment was the ol' holding out the dictionary. Where you'd have your arms fully extended, palms up, and be holding one of those large hardcover dictionaries for the rest of the class.", ">\n\nLots of luck dealing with the school on this. They always circle the wagons and protect the teacher. I've had a principal say he wouldn't share what I said to him about the teacher, then he went straight to the teacher and spilled the beans. The principal was a piece of work, and the teacher admitted to me without shame that the reason she became a teacher was because she enjoyed the feeling of power. Nothing really heinous happened, but it left me wishing I'd sent my kids to a different school.", ">\n\nWhen I was a kid, assistant principals would make kids hold a heavy book in each hand with their arms straight out to the side. “Authority figures” sure got up to a lot of mischief behind closed doors before the internet gave their charges more ways to turn the tables.", ">\n\nThis is a great example of wonderful teachers leaving due to asshole parents and kids. That’s when great teachers leave and you get stuck with people like this. Parents are the worst and we have taken all rights away from teachers to have any say. Kids are extremely rude to teachers and give them zero respect. We need to give teachers the power to discipline our children. Edit: and by discipline I don’t mean wall sits, or hitting etc.", ">\n\nAnyone considering that the child may have done something very disruptive, and he’s not being 100% truthful about what happened and how long he was actually “sitting” at the wall? Notice that what he did is swept under the rug? Everyone is oh…“poor baby”. We don’t have enough facts and schools have their hands tied because they are not allowed to give their side of the story to the press. What kids get away with in school now is insane. Smack the teacher and the parent asks, “Well, what did you do to him for him to hit you?” Insert “Let me tell you, in my day…” rants here:", ">\n\nHonestly, this seems like a normal high-poverty school. Poverty is the biggest predictor for school outcomes.", ">\n\nI guess I shouldn't talk about wrestling or football here. Our coaches were psychopaths, this is normal PE shit. Kids are out of control I'm all for the wall sit.", ">\n\nWow these comments are mega cringe tbh", ">\n\nIn college, this was my punishment when I was late to practice. Late twice, never again.", ">\n\nThat kid is what 8/9 years old, that is horrifying.", ">\n\nWe had a football coach who taught science class in high school who would punish kids with wall sits, he was like everybody’s favorite teacher lol.", ">\n\nAn 8 yr old shouldn't be doing wall sits. Don't try to justify this with your high school glory days memories, AL Bundy.", ">\n\nI never said I agreed, I just relayed a similar story about a completely different age group. Jesus Christ.", ">\n\nWhy is this a big deal? I remember this being a common punishment in middle school PE class. It's mildly uncomfortable. In my experience 99% of students respond by sitting for a minute, stand when teacher looks away, sit again for a few seconds... So on...", ">\n\nTeacher has balls since a 6 year old just shot his teacher", ">\n\nThese parents need to teach a class for just a day. They’ll get behind the wall sit dealio real quick", ">\n\n«My son, Satan Jr., did nothing wrong.»", ">\n\nMaybe he f***ing deserved it", ">\n\nMy basketball coaches in grade school and middle school made us do wall sits at every practice. We almost begged them to have us run suicides instead.", ">\n\nLike that’s a bad thing ?", ">\n\nPublic education is run as though it's a historical re-enactment of itself. This kind of stuff was happening many years ago when I was a kid. Unfortunately, we know that physically punishing children can hinder their ability to learn, so best of luck to schools that insist on this obsolete model of learning.", ">\n\nThey've cut our funding for OK schools to the point that we don't have enough actual teachers. Not that I blame them for leaving.", ">\n\nEven in blue states, the situation is no better. Last year, my governor had to activate the Nat'l Guard to work as subs in schools. I hope things get better for the kids in your state and mine soon!", ">\n\nYeah thay definitely sucks but as I read most stories I'm reminded of how bad it was when I worked as a sub so I can't say I really feel bad for the kid. \nDoes it suck that the kid had to do it?\nSure. \nIs there a reason behind this punishment? \nProbably \nWas it justified?\nCan't say. I don't want to read the article. \nMight be some random ranting to some but I know from personal experience how bad schools are. Even if they doubled my current salary I don't think I'd go back to working around those monsters. I currently work in the correctional system and I can say that I feel 10 times more safe in there with the inmates than I did at schools.", ">\n\nDefinitely a minute wall-sit and hammed it up when snitching to his dumbass mom. No average child is doing a wall sit past the minute mark idgaf who it is.", ">\n\nI hope to grow up and be as manly as you one day.", ">\n\nCry me a fucking river", ">\n\nI don’t understand the issue. We did these for physical training on the ski team. I was 15. It was a real pain but it was not dehumanizing or torturous. It was strength building. I think it’s a great way to discipline a kid! Do we know Wtf the kid was doing to get disciplined? Did the kid successfully complete it? Or did he keep attempting and failing for 15 minutes?", ">\n\nYou realize you are comparing your experience exercising with a group of your peers as a 15 year old to a 3rd grader being punished infront of his peers, correct?", ">\n\nKeep in mind OK allows corporal punishment in schools, its not okay but the crazies allow this.", ">\n\nHoly shit 15 minutes?! That kids a beast, buy him a happy meal. I’m sitting here with sore legs wishing I could do a wall sit for 15 minutes. Why is this kids mother raising hell about her kid being punished with exercise?", ">\n\nWell he should behave himself", ">\n\nThat is what I did for my kids. The familial cycle of belt beatings ended at me. Sounds like progress. /s\nEdit to add /s for the those who can not recognize it", ">\n\nSounds like you need therapy.", ">\n\nRed state form of \"education\" and \"punishment\". This is an elementary school.", ">\n\nPretty sure OK still allows corporal punishment. Soooo, OK is ok with this", ">\n\nbut here's the crazy thing: if it was a basketball or fball coach who made their kid do this, parents would be heaping praise on his rigorous drills! It's not so much the physical exertion that's contentious, but rather parents' belief that it's punitive, or at least punitive in a non-athletic setting. There are many coaches out there are just as demanding & strict. They make their kids do all kinds of insane drills & calisthenics to keep them in line. And parents don't complain at all because it's sports and they've bought into the system. Today's parents just don't feel the same about academics.", ">\n\nBro you're dumb as hell you literally only said \"it's crazy how the whole situation would be different if the whole situation would be different\"", ">\n\nNow lets give teachers guns!", ">\n\nI don’t think we’re getting the full story. What did the kid do to warrant discipline? Did the teacher try anything else, like maybe a time out with a chair and then the kid started playing with that and the teacher decided to take the chair away? Did the teacher give the kid the option of this discipline or being sent to the principles office? The media loves to jump on this sort of thing and paint the teacher as an ultra-villain when maybe the kid is just a disruptive little shit.", ">\n\nLike kids hold the position for any length of time . He probably got 20 sec in and straightened his legs and chilled then tried again once or twice and then leaned against the wall for 10 mins.", ">\n\nThe future generations are going to be softer than pudding at this rate.", ">\n\nI hate the punishment based teaching that goes on in public schools. I understand that teachers don’t have a ton of time to get down on the kids level and help them work through everything but literally everything is reward based/ shame based. \nThere’s a little girl in my daughters kindergarten class that has trouble sitting still. She’s 5 and probably has ADHD. She gets put on “red” almost everyday, which is shown at the front of the class. She’s not mean or rotten, she just has a busy body and she’s being publicly shamed for it. A color chart is nothing compared to a wall sit. Why teach children if you can’t handle it? If your boss made you do a 15 minute wall sit because they weren’t pleased with your work performance you would sue the shit out of them\nEdit- getting downvoted for not being cool with abusing kids in the name of teaching is honestly just proving me right. Adults suck.", ">\n\nputs on his maga hat\n\"Well kid shouldn't have been misbehavin'\"", ">\n\nThat’s a wall-sittin’…", ">\n\n“Parent should have parented better!”", ">\n\nNot enough info to truly say something constructive. I bet the boy is being bullied too (teachers don’t do jack s**t about bullies and sometimes they join the bullying,) or teachers don’t know how to motivate him (in my school if one of us didn’t feel like running the teacher left us alone,) and resort to archaic ways to punish kids. If I were the mother I’d be terrified of sending my kid to school again.", ">\n\nI’d be ripping someone a new asshole", ">\n\nHaha. The thing is kids need to realize their teachers can't make them do shit. School work yeah. Punishments? Get fucked.", ">\n\nThat’s not what a wall sit is. A wall sit is an exercise whereby you sit back against the wall like you’re sitting on a chair except your legs are holding you up. Asking a kid to do that for 15 minutes as punishment is cruel.", ">\n\nWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I do not discipline my son and no one else can either!!!!! What an idiot.", ">\n\na wall sit is where they \"sit\" on air with their back against the wall, it's very difficult to hold that pose for even 1 minute, much less 15 minutes", ">\n\nin high school I had to do a wall sit after I swung at the boy behind me for tugging on my hair while the teacher was talking, boy behind me got nothing", ">\n\nMy kids did wall sits and push ups instead of spanking . Not that long though like 3 min maybe. 15. Minutes is over doing", ">\n\nWhen I was in kindergarten they would beat us with bats", ">\n\nThis teacher made my child exert physical effort as a punishment… well it’s not about what my child did 🙄", ">\n\nIf you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!", ">\n\nNot sure how to feel about this one. This isn't really harming a kid, this is fitness as a punishment.\nWould it have been different if they made him run laps? Push ups? Wall sits are just an exercise.\nEDIT: After reading the article and seeing the picture of the kid, I now definitely think the teacher is an asshole.", ">\n\nI hate Reddit. 15 min wall sits are really hard, but the mother fucker will live.", ">\n\nLol this is funny, this was just the norm when I was in school. People are raising sensitive Suzies 🙄", ">\n\nNot really even bothered by this. It's better than slapping or spanking kids, which is acceptable in much of the south. \nIf I were a parent, I'd consent to passive punishments such as these, in favor of more traditional, corporal punishments used here in New Mexico as well as Texas.", ">\n\nDo this is my adult workout class and the max time is usually 90 seconds. This is disturbing af!", ">\n\nThis is why you should train your children to behave properly. He was interrupting the education of his class mates. Parents should discipline their children at home. Instead they do nothing. Children then learn they can do whatever they want without punishment. \nHow does the parent want her child disciplined? You can’t spank them. You can’t put them in timeout. You can’t do wall sits. Should he get a treat or award for misbehaving?", ">\n\nAssuming a lot here buddy lmao", ">\n\nsounds like a japanese POW camp in WW2.", ">\n\nOne of my old hs teachers used to give us the option to do wall sits/planks instead of formal write ups when we acted up in class. I coulda been rich and retired by now.", ">\n\nWell I did not get you ? How can you be rich by doing wall planks ?", ">\n\nThat’s called a stress position which is a form of torture!!" ]