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xa6xfa | artfundamentals_train | 0.93 | Is it okay to move on with the lessons even though I still feel I have barely any control drawing from my shoulder? I did lesson 1 and 250 box challenge because drawing from my shoulder feels incredibly unfamiliar and just not right. But I do feel like my perspective has improved and when I draw with my wrist it's actually pretty decent, I think. I did the dissection exercise pretty much only with my elbow/wrist, should I just go back to lesson 1 and do ghosted lanes, planes, ellipses with my shoulder until it feels right, before I move onto Form intersections? | intqby8 | ins0rwr | 1,662,790,222 | 1,662,758,489 | 6 | 1 | I'd say so. Line/ellipse quality is a long term goal afaik. I think even in the lesson he suggests just making it part of a 10-15 minute warmup before you start drawing. Just keep using your shoulder as you do the next lessons. If you find it really getting in the way and it's getting too frustrating then maybe spend a bit more time training your shoulder until you feel it's passable. | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 1 | 31,733 | 6 | ||
xa6xfa | artfundamentals_train | 0.93 | Is it okay to move on with the lessons even though I still feel I have barely any control drawing from my shoulder? I did lesson 1 and 250 box challenge because drawing from my shoulder feels incredibly unfamiliar and just not right. But I do feel like my perspective has improved and when I draw with my wrist it's actually pretty decent, I think. I did the dissection exercise pretty much only with my elbow/wrist, should I just go back to lesson 1 and do ghosted lanes, planes, ellipses with my shoulder until it feels right, before I move onto Form intersections? | ins0rwr | intq8a0 | 1,662,758,489 | 1,662,790,145 | 1 | 5 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | As long as you keep trying to find the sweetspot for using your shoulder and dont go back to depending on only your wrist, i think its fine. The dissections are a big detail heavy exercise so i think its fine to use the finer joints so just move on. Also try setting your paper on an angled surface if you havent already, it might give that little edge you need to start feeling comfortable | 0 | 31,656 | 5 | ||
xa6xfa | artfundamentals_train | 0.93 | Is it okay to move on with the lessons even though I still feel I have barely any control drawing from my shoulder? I did lesson 1 and 250 box challenge because drawing from my shoulder feels incredibly unfamiliar and just not right. But I do feel like my perspective has improved and when I draw with my wrist it's actually pretty decent, I think. I did the dissection exercise pretty much only with my elbow/wrist, should I just go back to lesson 1 and do ghosted lanes, planes, ellipses with my shoulder until it feels right, before I move onto Form intersections? | inuzg6y | ins0rwr | 1,662,820,786 | 1,662,758,489 | 3 | 1 | I think that is part of the process, based on my interpretation of the lessons. I also feel super uncomfortable with my shoulder still (working on 250 boxes rn). Sometimes I just scribble pages of ellipses and squiggles and focus more on the shoulder than the result 😅 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 1 | 62,297 | 3 | ||
xa6xfa | artfundamentals_train | 0.93 | Is it okay to move on with the lessons even though I still feel I have barely any control drawing from my shoulder? I did lesson 1 and 250 box challenge because drawing from my shoulder feels incredibly unfamiliar and just not right. But I do feel like my perspective has improved and when I draw with my wrist it's actually pretty decent, I think. I did the dissection exercise pretty much only with my elbow/wrist, should I just go back to lesson 1 and do ghosted lanes, planes, ellipses with my shoulder until it feels right, before I move onto Form intersections? | invbr2i | intqby8 | 1,662,825,869 | 1,662,790,222 | 7 | 6 | I think the best solution here is just to keep going. Because you will be practicing drawing from your shoulder in the next lessons anyway. By doing the next exercices you will learn new stuff that will help you on the long run. You can always go back to exercices and practices later on, but right now (if it’s your first time doing draw a box) keep focusing on what’s ahead instead of what you are lacking right now. | I'd say so. Line/ellipse quality is a long term goal afaik. I think even in the lesson he suggests just making it part of a 10-15 minute warmup before you start drawing. Just keep using your shoulder as you do the next lessons. If you find it really getting in the way and it's getting too frustrating then maybe spend a bit more time training your shoulder until you feel it's passable. | 1 | 35,647 | 1.166667 | ||
xa6xfa | artfundamentals_train | 0.93 | Is it okay to move on with the lessons even though I still feel I have barely any control drawing from my shoulder? I did lesson 1 and 250 box challenge because drawing from my shoulder feels incredibly unfamiliar and just not right. But I do feel like my perspective has improved and when I draw with my wrist it's actually pretty decent, I think. I did the dissection exercise pretty much only with my elbow/wrist, should I just go back to lesson 1 and do ghosted lanes, planes, ellipses with my shoulder until it feels right, before I move onto Form intersections? | intq8a0 | invbr2i | 1,662,790,145 | 1,662,825,869 | 5 | 7 | As long as you keep trying to find the sweetspot for using your shoulder and dont go back to depending on only your wrist, i think its fine. The dissections are a big detail heavy exercise so i think its fine to use the finer joints so just move on. Also try setting your paper on an angled surface if you havent already, it might give that little edge you need to start feeling comfortable | I think the best solution here is just to keep going. Because you will be practicing drawing from your shoulder in the next lessons anyway. By doing the next exercices you will learn new stuff that will help you on the long run. You can always go back to exercices and practices later on, but right now (if it’s your first time doing draw a box) keep focusing on what’s ahead instead of what you are lacking right now. | 0 | 35,724 | 1.4 | ||
xa6xfa | artfundamentals_train | 0.93 | Is it okay to move on with the lessons even though I still feel I have barely any control drawing from my shoulder? I did lesson 1 and 250 box challenge because drawing from my shoulder feels incredibly unfamiliar and just not right. But I do feel like my perspective has improved and when I draw with my wrist it's actually pretty decent, I think. I did the dissection exercise pretty much only with my elbow/wrist, should I just go back to lesson 1 and do ghosted lanes, planes, ellipses with my shoulder until it feels right, before I move onto Form intersections? | invbr2i | inuzg6y | 1,662,825,869 | 1,662,820,786 | 7 | 3 | I think the best solution here is just to keep going. Because you will be practicing drawing from your shoulder in the next lessons anyway. By doing the next exercices you will learn new stuff that will help you on the long run. You can always go back to exercices and practices later on, but right now (if it’s your first time doing draw a box) keep focusing on what’s ahead instead of what you are lacking right now. | I think that is part of the process, based on my interpretation of the lessons. I also feel super uncomfortable with my shoulder still (working on 250 boxes rn). Sometimes I just scribble pages of ellipses and squiggles and focus more on the shoulder than the result 😅 | 1 | 5,083 | 2.333333 | ||
xa6xfa | artfundamentals_train | 0.93 | Is it okay to move on with the lessons even though I still feel I have barely any control drawing from my shoulder? I did lesson 1 and 250 box challenge because drawing from my shoulder feels incredibly unfamiliar and just not right. But I do feel like my perspective has improved and when I draw with my wrist it's actually pretty decent, I think. I did the dissection exercise pretty much only with my elbow/wrist, should I just go back to lesson 1 and do ghosted lanes, planes, ellipses with my shoulder until it feels right, before I move onto Form intersections? | inv7dab | invbr2i | 1,662,824,060 | 1,662,825,869 | -6 | 7 | Am a bit confuse of this topic probably something i lack o.o what is it? TvT what are these stuffs am an artist but idk them why ToT | I think the best solution here is just to keep going. Because you will be practicing drawing from your shoulder in the next lessons anyway. By doing the next exercices you will learn new stuff that will help you on the long run. You can always go back to exercices and practices later on, but right now (if it’s your first time doing draw a box) keep focusing on what’s ahead instead of what you are lacking right now. | 0 | 1,809 | -1.166667 | ||
xa6xfa | artfundamentals_train | 0.93 | Is it okay to move on with the lessons even though I still feel I have barely any control drawing from my shoulder? I did lesson 1 and 250 box challenge because drawing from my shoulder feels incredibly unfamiliar and just not right. But I do feel like my perspective has improved and when I draw with my wrist it's actually pretty decent, I think. I did the dissection exercise pretty much only with my elbow/wrist, should I just go back to lesson 1 and do ghosted lanes, planes, ellipses with my shoulder until it feels right, before I move onto Form intersections? | intq8a0 | intqby8 | 1,662,790,145 | 1,662,790,222 | 5 | 6 | As long as you keep trying to find the sweetspot for using your shoulder and dont go back to depending on only your wrist, i think its fine. The dissections are a big detail heavy exercise so i think its fine to use the finer joints so just move on. Also try setting your paper on an angled surface if you havent already, it might give that little edge you need to start feeling comfortable | I'd say so. Line/ellipse quality is a long term goal afaik. I think even in the lesson he suggests just making it part of a 10-15 minute warmup before you start drawing. Just keep using your shoulder as you do the next lessons. If you find it really getting in the way and it's getting too frustrating then maybe spend a bit more time training your shoulder until you feel it's passable. | 0 | 77 | 1.2 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i13txga | i13l045 | 1,647,571,657 | 1,647,567,484 | 12 | 8 | Changing the way I hold the pencil helped me. Instead of holding it as if you were going to write a text, hold it so your hand is up and to the side. I don't know how to explain it by text, but it's like Proko holds a pencil. Watch some anatomy videos of him and you'll see. At first it is very uncomfortable, but over time you will gain strength. | an exercise that could be helpful is working without trying to make form. just abstract fluid mark-making to build up some muscle memory/confidence. Don't care what it looks like for the moment. shut your eyes and feel a few lines; They are not precious. | 1 | 4,173 | 1.5 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i136adw | i13txga | 1,647,560,787 | 1,647,571,657 | 5 | 12 | Use the entire arm rather than only hand, you draw more efficiently My friend draw use only the hand and he can’t draw long straight line because of it or having a hard time doing it | Changing the way I hold the pencil helped me. Instead of holding it as if you were going to write a text, hold it so your hand is up and to the side. I don't know how to explain it by text, but it's like Proko holds a pencil. Watch some anatomy videos of him and you'll see. At first it is very uncomfortable, but over time you will gain strength. | 0 | 10,870 | 2.4 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i13ajic | i13txga | 1,647,562,689 | 1,647,571,657 | 6 | 12 | If it's shakey you're still moving too slowly. Make larger faster movements. You'll end up with a curve that ends in the wrong place but it'll be a nice smooth one. Then just keep practising until it becomes easier to control. | Changing the way I hold the pencil helped me. Instead of holding it as if you were going to write a text, hold it so your hand is up and to the side. I don't know how to explain it by text, but it's like Proko holds a pencil. Watch some anatomy videos of him and you'll see. At first it is very uncomfortable, but over time you will gain strength. | 0 | 8,968 | 2 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i135qpc | i13txga | 1,647,560,548 | 1,647,571,657 | 3 | 12 | You learn to do it by doing the lessons...Ok, I know how unhelpful that sounds, I'll try to elaborate. So drawing with my shoulder is something I struggled with, but by doing the superimposed lines, ghosting, and table of ellipses exercises, a lot, I built up an understanding of it. Explaining how to use certain muscles is difficult, because you don't really have to think to do it. When you walk, you don't think to yourself "Ok, now I'll lift this leg while balancing on this other leg and placing it in the direction I want to go to shift my weight forward", you just move your legs and walk. What others have said here is important, elbow off the table, that alone will go a long way, but it'll still feel like you're using your elbow too much, you won't feel that control over your movement like you expect to be able to from doing the lessons right away. Do short lines, shorter than you think you need to. You're not just practicing to do lines in general at first, you're practicing drawing the same line the same way over and over. The SAME line, not a similar one, the same, identical line to the first. Rest your hand at the starting position, and draw only the direction your line is going, returning to rest at the starting position. This will give you the directionality needed for line confidence. You're going one way, drawing one line. Then, ghosting lines, you're doing the same motion, but over the paper until you put your pen down to actually place the line. I haven't quite gotten far in ellipses but I know that the last time I practiced, it was doing a table that helped it fully click. I don't know if this is a universal thing, but when I got it right, my deltoid muscle and shoulder blade muscles started to clinch. I wasn't clinching myself, you can't force it (I have tried), but I started using my shoulder to control my arm's movement and my lines got REALLY smooth and flowing. Remember, start really small. Elbow above the table, hand resting at the starting point. Draw away from the starting point in a single motion. What really helped on the superimposed lines was this video. I used the vertical line as sort of training wheels to help me get used to the motion itself without having to think about where I'd place my pen. Really short lines, so you can be sure you're lining them up properly and practicing that consistent motion. They'll fray, it's fine, you'll work those muscles and it'll happen less. | Changing the way I hold the pencil helped me. Instead of holding it as if you were going to write a text, hold it so your hand is up and to the side. I don't know how to explain it by text, but it's like Proko holds a pencil. Watch some anatomy videos of him and you'll see. At first it is very uncomfortable, but over time you will gain strength. | 0 | 11,109 | 4 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i12ybz5 | i13txga | 1,647,557,352 | 1,647,571,657 | 2 | 12 | Try to just get the elbow off the table, this will make you use your shoulder more. Then do fast gestures because it is easier to make stable lines. Then with time, you will get stronger muscles and nerve memory and you will be able to do more complex lines. | Changing the way I hold the pencil helped me. Instead of holding it as if you were going to write a text, hold it so your hand is up and to the side. I don't know how to explain it by text, but it's like Proko holds a pencil. Watch some anatomy videos of him and you'll see. At first it is very uncomfortable, but over time you will gain strength. | 0 | 14,305 | 6 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i13txga | i135l1e | 1,647,571,657 | 1,647,560,479 | 12 | 1 | Changing the way I hold the pencil helped me. Instead of holding it as if you were going to write a text, hold it so your hand is up and to the side. I don't know how to explain it by text, but it's like Proko holds a pencil. Watch some anatomy videos of him and you'll see. At first it is very uncomfortable, but over time you will gain strength. | Try setting up a drawing board angled more vertical than horizontal. Hold your entire arm somewhat stiff like everything from below the shoulder down is in a cast and swiver from the shoulder. | 1 | 11,178 | 12 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i150yah | i13l045 | 1,647,602,140 | 1,647,567,484 | 11 | 8 | What worked for me was viewing this drawing exercise as an actual exercise, and working out my shoulder muscles. You shoulder and its movement is connected to both the front pectoral and the back muscles, so understanding and strengthening these can help you access how to draw from your shoulder. Standing up and drawing at an easel will also help you understand this as your arm gets tired! Another exercise that drums the point for me is phsically holding my arm at the wrist, and seeing the range of movement, and then holding it above the elbow, and seeing the range of movement, then let go and wave your whole arm. Wrist is writing, elbow is quick arcs, but the shoulder is a full waving motion - graceful, like a dance. | an exercise that could be helpful is working without trying to make form. just abstract fluid mark-making to build up some muscle memory/confidence. Don't care what it looks like for the moment. shut your eyes and feel a few lines; They are not precious. | 1 | 34,656 | 1.375 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i14y4tf | i150yah | 1,647,600,086 | 1,647,602,140 | 7 | 11 | I think that certain lines call for different ammount of arm usage, like don't try to draw a short line with your whole arm It won't work. The way I think feels most natural is in this order: Really short lines with the fingers, Short lines with the rist, medium lines with the elbow, very long lines with the whole arm. I am a guy with long arms, I have to draw in a position that allows me to move my arm without bumping my elbow or I won't be able to draw a single line properly. What I found for myself is that your arm has to be bent in a close to 90 degree angle as possible, if it's stretched way forward and/or you bend your elbow to the side it feels really uncomfortable. | What worked for me was viewing this drawing exercise as an actual exercise, and working out my shoulder muscles. You shoulder and its movement is connected to both the front pectoral and the back muscles, so understanding and strengthening these can help you access how to draw from your shoulder. Standing up and drawing at an easel will also help you understand this as your arm gets tired! Another exercise that drums the point for me is phsically holding my arm at the wrist, and seeing the range of movement, and then holding it above the elbow, and seeing the range of movement, then let go and wave your whole arm. Wrist is writing, elbow is quick arcs, but the shoulder is a full waving motion - graceful, like a dance. | 0 | 2,054 | 1.571429 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i136adw | i150yah | 1,647,560,787 | 1,647,602,140 | 5 | 11 | Use the entire arm rather than only hand, you draw more efficiently My friend draw use only the hand and he can’t draw long straight line because of it or having a hard time doing it | What worked for me was viewing this drawing exercise as an actual exercise, and working out my shoulder muscles. You shoulder and its movement is connected to both the front pectoral and the back muscles, so understanding and strengthening these can help you access how to draw from your shoulder. Standing up and drawing at an easel will also help you understand this as your arm gets tired! Another exercise that drums the point for me is phsically holding my arm at the wrist, and seeing the range of movement, and then holding it above the elbow, and seeing the range of movement, then let go and wave your whole arm. Wrist is writing, elbow is quick arcs, but the shoulder is a full waving motion - graceful, like a dance. | 0 | 41,353 | 2.2 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i13ajic | i150yah | 1,647,562,689 | 1,647,602,140 | 6 | 11 | If it's shakey you're still moving too slowly. Make larger faster movements. You'll end up with a curve that ends in the wrong place but it'll be a nice smooth one. Then just keep practising until it becomes easier to control. | What worked for me was viewing this drawing exercise as an actual exercise, and working out my shoulder muscles. You shoulder and its movement is connected to both the front pectoral and the back muscles, so understanding and strengthening these can help you access how to draw from your shoulder. Standing up and drawing at an easel will also help you understand this as your arm gets tired! Another exercise that drums the point for me is phsically holding my arm at the wrist, and seeing the range of movement, and then holding it above the elbow, and seeing the range of movement, then let go and wave your whole arm. Wrist is writing, elbow is quick arcs, but the shoulder is a full waving motion - graceful, like a dance. | 0 | 39,451 | 1.833333 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i135qpc | i150yah | 1,647,560,548 | 1,647,602,140 | 3 | 11 | You learn to do it by doing the lessons...Ok, I know how unhelpful that sounds, I'll try to elaborate. So drawing with my shoulder is something I struggled with, but by doing the superimposed lines, ghosting, and table of ellipses exercises, a lot, I built up an understanding of it. Explaining how to use certain muscles is difficult, because you don't really have to think to do it. When you walk, you don't think to yourself "Ok, now I'll lift this leg while balancing on this other leg and placing it in the direction I want to go to shift my weight forward", you just move your legs and walk. What others have said here is important, elbow off the table, that alone will go a long way, but it'll still feel like you're using your elbow too much, you won't feel that control over your movement like you expect to be able to from doing the lessons right away. Do short lines, shorter than you think you need to. You're not just practicing to do lines in general at first, you're practicing drawing the same line the same way over and over. The SAME line, not a similar one, the same, identical line to the first. Rest your hand at the starting position, and draw only the direction your line is going, returning to rest at the starting position. This will give you the directionality needed for line confidence. You're going one way, drawing one line. Then, ghosting lines, you're doing the same motion, but over the paper until you put your pen down to actually place the line. I haven't quite gotten far in ellipses but I know that the last time I practiced, it was doing a table that helped it fully click. I don't know if this is a universal thing, but when I got it right, my deltoid muscle and shoulder blade muscles started to clinch. I wasn't clinching myself, you can't force it (I have tried), but I started using my shoulder to control my arm's movement and my lines got REALLY smooth and flowing. Remember, start really small. Elbow above the table, hand resting at the starting point. Draw away from the starting point in a single motion. What really helped on the superimposed lines was this video. I used the vertical line as sort of training wheels to help me get used to the motion itself without having to think about where I'd place my pen. Really short lines, so you can be sure you're lining them up properly and practicing that consistent motion. They'll fray, it's fine, you'll work those muscles and it'll happen less. | What worked for me was viewing this drawing exercise as an actual exercise, and working out my shoulder muscles. You shoulder and its movement is connected to both the front pectoral and the back muscles, so understanding and strengthening these can help you access how to draw from your shoulder. Standing up and drawing at an easel will also help you understand this as your arm gets tired! Another exercise that drums the point for me is phsically holding my arm at the wrist, and seeing the range of movement, and then holding it above the elbow, and seeing the range of movement, then let go and wave your whole arm. Wrist is writing, elbow is quick arcs, but the shoulder is a full waving motion - graceful, like a dance. | 0 | 41,592 | 3.666667 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i150yah | i12ybz5 | 1,647,602,140 | 1,647,557,352 | 11 | 2 | What worked for me was viewing this drawing exercise as an actual exercise, and working out my shoulder muscles. You shoulder and its movement is connected to both the front pectoral and the back muscles, so understanding and strengthening these can help you access how to draw from your shoulder. Standing up and drawing at an easel will also help you understand this as your arm gets tired! Another exercise that drums the point for me is phsically holding my arm at the wrist, and seeing the range of movement, and then holding it above the elbow, and seeing the range of movement, then let go and wave your whole arm. Wrist is writing, elbow is quick arcs, but the shoulder is a full waving motion - graceful, like a dance. | Try to just get the elbow off the table, this will make you use your shoulder more. Then do fast gestures because it is easier to make stable lines. Then with time, you will get stronger muscles and nerve memory and you will be able to do more complex lines. | 1 | 44,788 | 5.5 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i14r735 | i150yah | 1,647,594,363 | 1,647,602,140 | 2 | 11 | Change to overhand grip! | What worked for me was viewing this drawing exercise as an actual exercise, and working out my shoulder muscles. You shoulder and its movement is connected to both the front pectoral and the back muscles, so understanding and strengthening these can help you access how to draw from your shoulder. Standing up and drawing at an easel will also help you understand this as your arm gets tired! Another exercise that drums the point for me is phsically holding my arm at the wrist, and seeing the range of movement, and then holding it above the elbow, and seeing the range of movement, then let go and wave your whole arm. Wrist is writing, elbow is quick arcs, but the shoulder is a full waving motion - graceful, like a dance. | 0 | 7,777 | 5.5 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i150yah | i135l1e | 1,647,602,140 | 1,647,560,479 | 11 | 1 | What worked for me was viewing this drawing exercise as an actual exercise, and working out my shoulder muscles. You shoulder and its movement is connected to both the front pectoral and the back muscles, so understanding and strengthening these can help you access how to draw from your shoulder. Standing up and drawing at an easel will also help you understand this as your arm gets tired! Another exercise that drums the point for me is phsically holding my arm at the wrist, and seeing the range of movement, and then holding it above the elbow, and seeing the range of movement, then let go and wave your whole arm. Wrist is writing, elbow is quick arcs, but the shoulder is a full waving motion - graceful, like a dance. | Try setting up a drawing board angled more vertical than horizontal. Hold your entire arm somewhat stiff like everything from below the shoulder down is in a cast and swiver from the shoulder. | 1 | 41,661 | 11 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i13l045 | i136adw | 1,647,567,484 | 1,647,560,787 | 8 | 5 | an exercise that could be helpful is working without trying to make form. just abstract fluid mark-making to build up some muscle memory/confidence. Don't care what it looks like for the moment. shut your eyes and feel a few lines; They are not precious. | Use the entire arm rather than only hand, you draw more efficiently My friend draw use only the hand and he can’t draw long straight line because of it or having a hard time doing it | 1 | 6,697 | 1.6 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i13l045 | i13ajic | 1,647,567,484 | 1,647,562,689 | 8 | 6 | an exercise that could be helpful is working without trying to make form. just abstract fluid mark-making to build up some muscle memory/confidence. Don't care what it looks like for the moment. shut your eyes and feel a few lines; They are not precious. | If it's shakey you're still moving too slowly. Make larger faster movements. You'll end up with a curve that ends in the wrong place but it'll be a nice smooth one. Then just keep practising until it becomes easier to control. | 1 | 4,795 | 1.333333 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i135qpc | i13l045 | 1,647,560,548 | 1,647,567,484 | 3 | 8 | You learn to do it by doing the lessons...Ok, I know how unhelpful that sounds, I'll try to elaborate. So drawing with my shoulder is something I struggled with, but by doing the superimposed lines, ghosting, and table of ellipses exercises, a lot, I built up an understanding of it. Explaining how to use certain muscles is difficult, because you don't really have to think to do it. When you walk, you don't think to yourself "Ok, now I'll lift this leg while balancing on this other leg and placing it in the direction I want to go to shift my weight forward", you just move your legs and walk. What others have said here is important, elbow off the table, that alone will go a long way, but it'll still feel like you're using your elbow too much, you won't feel that control over your movement like you expect to be able to from doing the lessons right away. Do short lines, shorter than you think you need to. You're not just practicing to do lines in general at first, you're practicing drawing the same line the same way over and over. The SAME line, not a similar one, the same, identical line to the first. Rest your hand at the starting position, and draw only the direction your line is going, returning to rest at the starting position. This will give you the directionality needed for line confidence. You're going one way, drawing one line. Then, ghosting lines, you're doing the same motion, but over the paper until you put your pen down to actually place the line. I haven't quite gotten far in ellipses but I know that the last time I practiced, it was doing a table that helped it fully click. I don't know if this is a universal thing, but when I got it right, my deltoid muscle and shoulder blade muscles started to clinch. I wasn't clinching myself, you can't force it (I have tried), but I started using my shoulder to control my arm's movement and my lines got REALLY smooth and flowing. Remember, start really small. Elbow above the table, hand resting at the starting point. Draw away from the starting point in a single motion. What really helped on the superimposed lines was this video. I used the vertical line as sort of training wheels to help me get used to the motion itself without having to think about where I'd place my pen. Really short lines, so you can be sure you're lining them up properly and practicing that consistent motion. They'll fray, it's fine, you'll work those muscles and it'll happen less. | an exercise that could be helpful is working without trying to make form. just abstract fluid mark-making to build up some muscle memory/confidence. Don't care what it looks like for the moment. shut your eyes and feel a few lines; They are not precious. | 0 | 6,936 | 2.666667 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i12ybz5 | i13l045 | 1,647,557,352 | 1,647,567,484 | 2 | 8 | Try to just get the elbow off the table, this will make you use your shoulder more. Then do fast gestures because it is easier to make stable lines. Then with time, you will get stronger muscles and nerve memory and you will be able to do more complex lines. | an exercise that could be helpful is working without trying to make form. just abstract fluid mark-making to build up some muscle memory/confidence. Don't care what it looks like for the moment. shut your eyes and feel a few lines; They are not precious. | 0 | 10,132 | 4 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i135l1e | i13l045 | 1,647,560,479 | 1,647,567,484 | 1 | 8 | Try setting up a drawing board angled more vertical than horizontal. Hold your entire arm somewhat stiff like everything from below the shoulder down is in a cast and swiver from the shoulder. | an exercise that could be helpful is working without trying to make form. just abstract fluid mark-making to build up some muscle memory/confidence. Don't care what it looks like for the moment. shut your eyes and feel a few lines; They are not precious. | 0 | 7,005 | 8 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i15s8v8 | i136adw | 1,647,615,594 | 1,647,560,787 | 7 | 5 | I had this issue for awhile. What helps me is stretching out my shoulders and arms in the morning. It helps to actually feel my muscles move and get in touch with those parts. You’re also not supposed to worry about precision until after you are drawing your lines smoothly and confidently and worry about accuracy later (correct me if I’m wrong anyone) You might benefit from taking a blank page and drawing quickly a couple of lines with no markers to guide you or anything and just feel your shoulder muscles as you’re doing it. Don’t think about how it looks or anything, like if it’s shaky just move past | Use the entire arm rather than only hand, you draw more efficiently My friend draw use only the hand and he can’t draw long straight line because of it or having a hard time doing it | 1 | 54,807 | 1.4 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i15s8v8 | i13ajic | 1,647,615,594 | 1,647,562,689 | 7 | 6 | I had this issue for awhile. What helps me is stretching out my shoulders and arms in the morning. It helps to actually feel my muscles move and get in touch with those parts. You’re also not supposed to worry about precision until after you are drawing your lines smoothly and confidently and worry about accuracy later (correct me if I’m wrong anyone) You might benefit from taking a blank page and drawing quickly a couple of lines with no markers to guide you or anything and just feel your shoulder muscles as you’re doing it. Don’t think about how it looks or anything, like if it’s shaky just move past | If it's shakey you're still moving too slowly. Make larger faster movements. You'll end up with a curve that ends in the wrong place but it'll be a nice smooth one. Then just keep practising until it becomes easier to control. | 1 | 52,905 | 1.166667 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i15s8v8 | i135qpc | 1,647,615,594 | 1,647,560,548 | 7 | 3 | I had this issue for awhile. What helps me is stretching out my shoulders and arms in the morning. It helps to actually feel my muscles move and get in touch with those parts. You’re also not supposed to worry about precision until after you are drawing your lines smoothly and confidently and worry about accuracy later (correct me if I’m wrong anyone) You might benefit from taking a blank page and drawing quickly a couple of lines with no markers to guide you or anything and just feel your shoulder muscles as you’re doing it. Don’t think about how it looks or anything, like if it’s shaky just move past | You learn to do it by doing the lessons...Ok, I know how unhelpful that sounds, I'll try to elaborate. So drawing with my shoulder is something I struggled with, but by doing the superimposed lines, ghosting, and table of ellipses exercises, a lot, I built up an understanding of it. Explaining how to use certain muscles is difficult, because you don't really have to think to do it. When you walk, you don't think to yourself "Ok, now I'll lift this leg while balancing on this other leg and placing it in the direction I want to go to shift my weight forward", you just move your legs and walk. What others have said here is important, elbow off the table, that alone will go a long way, but it'll still feel like you're using your elbow too much, you won't feel that control over your movement like you expect to be able to from doing the lessons right away. Do short lines, shorter than you think you need to. You're not just practicing to do lines in general at first, you're practicing drawing the same line the same way over and over. The SAME line, not a similar one, the same, identical line to the first. Rest your hand at the starting position, and draw only the direction your line is going, returning to rest at the starting position. This will give you the directionality needed for line confidence. You're going one way, drawing one line. Then, ghosting lines, you're doing the same motion, but over the paper until you put your pen down to actually place the line. I haven't quite gotten far in ellipses but I know that the last time I practiced, it was doing a table that helped it fully click. I don't know if this is a universal thing, but when I got it right, my deltoid muscle and shoulder blade muscles started to clinch. I wasn't clinching myself, you can't force it (I have tried), but I started using my shoulder to control my arm's movement and my lines got REALLY smooth and flowing. Remember, start really small. Elbow above the table, hand resting at the starting point. Draw away from the starting point in a single motion. What really helped on the superimposed lines was this video. I used the vertical line as sort of training wheels to help me get used to the motion itself without having to think about where I'd place my pen. Really short lines, so you can be sure you're lining them up properly and practicing that consistent motion. They'll fray, it's fine, you'll work those muscles and it'll happen less. | 1 | 55,046 | 2.333333 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i15s8v8 | i12ybz5 | 1,647,615,594 | 1,647,557,352 | 7 | 2 | I had this issue for awhile. What helps me is stretching out my shoulders and arms in the morning. It helps to actually feel my muscles move and get in touch with those parts. You’re also not supposed to worry about precision until after you are drawing your lines smoothly and confidently and worry about accuracy later (correct me if I’m wrong anyone) You might benefit from taking a blank page and drawing quickly a couple of lines with no markers to guide you or anything and just feel your shoulder muscles as you’re doing it. Don’t think about how it looks or anything, like if it’s shaky just move past | Try to just get the elbow off the table, this will make you use your shoulder more. Then do fast gestures because it is easier to make stable lines. Then with time, you will get stronger muscles and nerve memory and you will be able to do more complex lines. | 1 | 58,242 | 3.5 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i15s8v8 | i14r735 | 1,647,615,594 | 1,647,594,363 | 7 | 2 | I had this issue for awhile. What helps me is stretching out my shoulders and arms in the morning. It helps to actually feel my muscles move and get in touch with those parts. You’re also not supposed to worry about precision until after you are drawing your lines smoothly and confidently and worry about accuracy later (correct me if I’m wrong anyone) You might benefit from taking a blank page and drawing quickly a couple of lines with no markers to guide you or anything and just feel your shoulder muscles as you’re doing it. Don’t think about how it looks or anything, like if it’s shaky just move past | Change to overhand grip! | 1 | 21,231 | 3.5 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i135l1e | i15s8v8 | 1,647,560,479 | 1,647,615,594 | 1 | 7 | Try setting up a drawing board angled more vertical than horizontal. Hold your entire arm somewhat stiff like everything from below the shoulder down is in a cast and swiver from the shoulder. | I had this issue for awhile. What helps me is stretching out my shoulders and arms in the morning. It helps to actually feel my muscles move and get in touch with those parts. You’re also not supposed to worry about precision until after you are drawing your lines smoothly and confidently and worry about accuracy later (correct me if I’m wrong anyone) You might benefit from taking a blank page and drawing quickly a couple of lines with no markers to guide you or anything and just feel your shoulder muscles as you’re doing it. Don’t think about how it looks or anything, like if it’s shaky just move past | 0 | 55,115 | 7 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i14y4tf | i136adw | 1,647,600,086 | 1,647,560,787 | 7 | 5 | I think that certain lines call for different ammount of arm usage, like don't try to draw a short line with your whole arm It won't work. The way I think feels most natural is in this order: Really short lines with the fingers, Short lines with the rist, medium lines with the elbow, very long lines with the whole arm. I am a guy with long arms, I have to draw in a position that allows me to move my arm without bumping my elbow or I won't be able to draw a single line properly. What I found for myself is that your arm has to be bent in a close to 90 degree angle as possible, if it's stretched way forward and/or you bend your elbow to the side it feels really uncomfortable. | Use the entire arm rather than only hand, you draw more efficiently My friend draw use only the hand and he can’t draw long straight line because of it or having a hard time doing it | 1 | 39,299 | 1.4 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i13ajic | i14y4tf | 1,647,562,689 | 1,647,600,086 | 6 | 7 | If it's shakey you're still moving too slowly. Make larger faster movements. You'll end up with a curve that ends in the wrong place but it'll be a nice smooth one. Then just keep practising until it becomes easier to control. | I think that certain lines call for different ammount of arm usage, like don't try to draw a short line with your whole arm It won't work. The way I think feels most natural is in this order: Really short lines with the fingers, Short lines with the rist, medium lines with the elbow, very long lines with the whole arm. I am a guy with long arms, I have to draw in a position that allows me to move my arm without bumping my elbow or I won't be able to draw a single line properly. What I found for myself is that your arm has to be bent in a close to 90 degree angle as possible, if it's stretched way forward and/or you bend your elbow to the side it feels really uncomfortable. | 0 | 37,397 | 1.166667 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i135qpc | i14y4tf | 1,647,560,548 | 1,647,600,086 | 3 | 7 | You learn to do it by doing the lessons...Ok, I know how unhelpful that sounds, I'll try to elaborate. So drawing with my shoulder is something I struggled with, but by doing the superimposed lines, ghosting, and table of ellipses exercises, a lot, I built up an understanding of it. Explaining how to use certain muscles is difficult, because you don't really have to think to do it. When you walk, you don't think to yourself "Ok, now I'll lift this leg while balancing on this other leg and placing it in the direction I want to go to shift my weight forward", you just move your legs and walk. What others have said here is important, elbow off the table, that alone will go a long way, but it'll still feel like you're using your elbow too much, you won't feel that control over your movement like you expect to be able to from doing the lessons right away. Do short lines, shorter than you think you need to. You're not just practicing to do lines in general at first, you're practicing drawing the same line the same way over and over. The SAME line, not a similar one, the same, identical line to the first. Rest your hand at the starting position, and draw only the direction your line is going, returning to rest at the starting position. This will give you the directionality needed for line confidence. You're going one way, drawing one line. Then, ghosting lines, you're doing the same motion, but over the paper until you put your pen down to actually place the line. I haven't quite gotten far in ellipses but I know that the last time I practiced, it was doing a table that helped it fully click. I don't know if this is a universal thing, but when I got it right, my deltoid muscle and shoulder blade muscles started to clinch. I wasn't clinching myself, you can't force it (I have tried), but I started using my shoulder to control my arm's movement and my lines got REALLY smooth and flowing. Remember, start really small. Elbow above the table, hand resting at the starting point. Draw away from the starting point in a single motion. What really helped on the superimposed lines was this video. I used the vertical line as sort of training wheels to help me get used to the motion itself without having to think about where I'd place my pen. Really short lines, so you can be sure you're lining them up properly and practicing that consistent motion. They'll fray, it's fine, you'll work those muscles and it'll happen less. | I think that certain lines call for different ammount of arm usage, like don't try to draw a short line with your whole arm It won't work. The way I think feels most natural is in this order: Really short lines with the fingers, Short lines with the rist, medium lines with the elbow, very long lines with the whole arm. I am a guy with long arms, I have to draw in a position that allows me to move my arm without bumping my elbow or I won't be able to draw a single line properly. What I found for myself is that your arm has to be bent in a close to 90 degree angle as possible, if it's stretched way forward and/or you bend your elbow to the side it feels really uncomfortable. | 0 | 39,538 | 2.333333 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i12ybz5 | i14y4tf | 1,647,557,352 | 1,647,600,086 | 2 | 7 | Try to just get the elbow off the table, this will make you use your shoulder more. Then do fast gestures because it is easier to make stable lines. Then with time, you will get stronger muscles and nerve memory and you will be able to do more complex lines. | I think that certain lines call for different ammount of arm usage, like don't try to draw a short line with your whole arm It won't work. The way I think feels most natural is in this order: Really short lines with the fingers, Short lines with the rist, medium lines with the elbow, very long lines with the whole arm. I am a guy with long arms, I have to draw in a position that allows me to move my arm without bumping my elbow or I won't be able to draw a single line properly. What I found for myself is that your arm has to be bent in a close to 90 degree angle as possible, if it's stretched way forward and/or you bend your elbow to the side it feels really uncomfortable. | 0 | 42,734 | 3.5 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i14r735 | i14y4tf | 1,647,594,363 | 1,647,600,086 | 2 | 7 | Change to overhand grip! | I think that certain lines call for different ammount of arm usage, like don't try to draw a short line with your whole arm It won't work. The way I think feels most natural is in this order: Really short lines with the fingers, Short lines with the rist, medium lines with the elbow, very long lines with the whole arm. I am a guy with long arms, I have to draw in a position that allows me to move my arm without bumping my elbow or I won't be able to draw a single line properly. What I found for myself is that your arm has to be bent in a close to 90 degree angle as possible, if it's stretched way forward and/or you bend your elbow to the side it feels really uncomfortable. | 0 | 5,723 | 3.5 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i135l1e | i14y4tf | 1,647,560,479 | 1,647,600,086 | 1 | 7 | Try setting up a drawing board angled more vertical than horizontal. Hold your entire arm somewhat stiff like everything from below the shoulder down is in a cast and swiver from the shoulder. | I think that certain lines call for different ammount of arm usage, like don't try to draw a short line with your whole arm It won't work. The way I think feels most natural is in this order: Really short lines with the fingers, Short lines with the rist, medium lines with the elbow, very long lines with the whole arm. I am a guy with long arms, I have to draw in a position that allows me to move my arm without bumping my elbow or I won't be able to draw a single line properly. What I found for myself is that your arm has to be bent in a close to 90 degree angle as possible, if it's stretched way forward and/or you bend your elbow to the side it feels really uncomfortable. | 0 | 39,607 | 7 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i13ajic | i136adw | 1,647,562,689 | 1,647,560,787 | 6 | 5 | If it's shakey you're still moving too slowly. Make larger faster movements. You'll end up with a curve that ends in the wrong place but it'll be a nice smooth one. Then just keep practising until it becomes easier to control. | Use the entire arm rather than only hand, you draw more efficiently My friend draw use only the hand and he can’t draw long straight line because of it or having a hard time doing it | 1 | 1,902 | 1.2 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i136adw | i16smf8 | 1,647,560,787 | 1,647,629,869 | 5 | 6 | Use the entire arm rather than only hand, you draw more efficiently My friend draw use only the hand and he can’t draw long straight line because of it or having a hard time doing it | This sounds silly but hear me out. What seriously helped me with the mind-muscle connection of conciously using my shoulder was pull-ups, dips, rows, and copious amounts of stretching. If you're having a super hard time and your desperate to get better quickly, try stretching to feel your shoulder. Shoulder rotations and chest expansions. Maybe finish off with a lat stretch. Just my incredibly, no drawing ability, novice, two cents with a healthy dose of salt. Someone tell me if I'm giving crappy advice. | 0 | 69,082 | 1.2 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i136adw | i135qpc | 1,647,560,787 | 1,647,560,548 | 5 | 3 | Use the entire arm rather than only hand, you draw more efficiently My friend draw use only the hand and he can’t draw long straight line because of it or having a hard time doing it | You learn to do it by doing the lessons...Ok, I know how unhelpful that sounds, I'll try to elaborate. So drawing with my shoulder is something I struggled with, but by doing the superimposed lines, ghosting, and table of ellipses exercises, a lot, I built up an understanding of it. Explaining how to use certain muscles is difficult, because you don't really have to think to do it. When you walk, you don't think to yourself "Ok, now I'll lift this leg while balancing on this other leg and placing it in the direction I want to go to shift my weight forward", you just move your legs and walk. What others have said here is important, elbow off the table, that alone will go a long way, but it'll still feel like you're using your elbow too much, you won't feel that control over your movement like you expect to be able to from doing the lessons right away. Do short lines, shorter than you think you need to. You're not just practicing to do lines in general at first, you're practicing drawing the same line the same way over and over. The SAME line, not a similar one, the same, identical line to the first. Rest your hand at the starting position, and draw only the direction your line is going, returning to rest at the starting position. This will give you the directionality needed for line confidence. You're going one way, drawing one line. Then, ghosting lines, you're doing the same motion, but over the paper until you put your pen down to actually place the line. I haven't quite gotten far in ellipses but I know that the last time I practiced, it was doing a table that helped it fully click. I don't know if this is a universal thing, but when I got it right, my deltoid muscle and shoulder blade muscles started to clinch. I wasn't clinching myself, you can't force it (I have tried), but I started using my shoulder to control my arm's movement and my lines got REALLY smooth and flowing. Remember, start really small. Elbow above the table, hand resting at the starting point. Draw away from the starting point in a single motion. What really helped on the superimposed lines was this video. I used the vertical line as sort of training wheels to help me get used to the motion itself without having to think about where I'd place my pen. Really short lines, so you can be sure you're lining them up properly and practicing that consistent motion. They'll fray, it's fine, you'll work those muscles and it'll happen less. | 1 | 239 | 1.666667 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i136adw | i12ybz5 | 1,647,560,787 | 1,647,557,352 | 5 | 2 | Use the entire arm rather than only hand, you draw more efficiently My friend draw use only the hand and he can’t draw long straight line because of it or having a hard time doing it | Try to just get the elbow off the table, this will make you use your shoulder more. Then do fast gestures because it is easier to make stable lines. Then with time, you will get stronger muscles and nerve memory and you will be able to do more complex lines. | 1 | 3,435 | 2.5 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i136adw | i135l1e | 1,647,560,787 | 1,647,560,479 | 5 | 1 | Use the entire arm rather than only hand, you draw more efficiently My friend draw use only the hand and he can’t draw long straight line because of it or having a hard time doing it | Try setting up a drawing board angled more vertical than horizontal. Hold your entire arm somewhat stiff like everything from below the shoulder down is in a cast and swiver from the shoulder. | 1 | 308 | 5 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i13ajic | i135qpc | 1,647,562,689 | 1,647,560,548 | 6 | 3 | If it's shakey you're still moving too slowly. Make larger faster movements. You'll end up with a curve that ends in the wrong place but it'll be a nice smooth one. Then just keep practising until it becomes easier to control. | You learn to do it by doing the lessons...Ok, I know how unhelpful that sounds, I'll try to elaborate. So drawing with my shoulder is something I struggled with, but by doing the superimposed lines, ghosting, and table of ellipses exercises, a lot, I built up an understanding of it. Explaining how to use certain muscles is difficult, because you don't really have to think to do it. When you walk, you don't think to yourself "Ok, now I'll lift this leg while balancing on this other leg and placing it in the direction I want to go to shift my weight forward", you just move your legs and walk. What others have said here is important, elbow off the table, that alone will go a long way, but it'll still feel like you're using your elbow too much, you won't feel that control over your movement like you expect to be able to from doing the lessons right away. Do short lines, shorter than you think you need to. You're not just practicing to do lines in general at first, you're practicing drawing the same line the same way over and over. The SAME line, not a similar one, the same, identical line to the first. Rest your hand at the starting position, and draw only the direction your line is going, returning to rest at the starting position. This will give you the directionality needed for line confidence. You're going one way, drawing one line. Then, ghosting lines, you're doing the same motion, but over the paper until you put your pen down to actually place the line. I haven't quite gotten far in ellipses but I know that the last time I practiced, it was doing a table that helped it fully click. I don't know if this is a universal thing, but when I got it right, my deltoid muscle and shoulder blade muscles started to clinch. I wasn't clinching myself, you can't force it (I have tried), but I started using my shoulder to control my arm's movement and my lines got REALLY smooth and flowing. Remember, start really small. Elbow above the table, hand resting at the starting point. Draw away from the starting point in a single motion. What really helped on the superimposed lines was this video. I used the vertical line as sort of training wheels to help me get used to the motion itself without having to think about where I'd place my pen. Really short lines, so you can be sure you're lining them up properly and practicing that consistent motion. They'll fray, it's fine, you'll work those muscles and it'll happen less. | 1 | 2,141 | 2 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i13ajic | i12ybz5 | 1,647,562,689 | 1,647,557,352 | 6 | 2 | If it's shakey you're still moving too slowly. Make larger faster movements. You'll end up with a curve that ends in the wrong place but it'll be a nice smooth one. Then just keep practising until it becomes easier to control. | Try to just get the elbow off the table, this will make you use your shoulder more. Then do fast gestures because it is easier to make stable lines. Then with time, you will get stronger muscles and nerve memory and you will be able to do more complex lines. | 1 | 5,337 | 3 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i13ajic | i135l1e | 1,647,562,689 | 1,647,560,479 | 6 | 1 | If it's shakey you're still moving too slowly. Make larger faster movements. You'll end up with a curve that ends in the wrong place but it'll be a nice smooth one. Then just keep practising until it becomes easier to control. | Try setting up a drawing board angled more vertical than horizontal. Hold your entire arm somewhat stiff like everything from below the shoulder down is in a cast and swiver from the shoulder. | 1 | 2,210 | 6 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i16jvdn | i16smf8 | 1,647,626,374 | 1,647,629,869 | 4 | 6 | I draw with my elbow not my shoulder | This sounds silly but hear me out. What seriously helped me with the mind-muscle connection of conciously using my shoulder was pull-ups, dips, rows, and copious amounts of stretching. If you're having a super hard time and your desperate to get better quickly, try stretching to feel your shoulder. Shoulder rotations and chest expansions. Maybe finish off with a lat stretch. Just my incredibly, no drawing ability, novice, two cents with a healthy dose of salt. Someone tell me if I'm giving crappy advice. | 0 | 3,495 | 1.5 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i135qpc | i16smf8 | 1,647,560,548 | 1,647,629,869 | 3 | 6 | You learn to do it by doing the lessons...Ok, I know how unhelpful that sounds, I'll try to elaborate. So drawing with my shoulder is something I struggled with, but by doing the superimposed lines, ghosting, and table of ellipses exercises, a lot, I built up an understanding of it. Explaining how to use certain muscles is difficult, because you don't really have to think to do it. When you walk, you don't think to yourself "Ok, now I'll lift this leg while balancing on this other leg and placing it in the direction I want to go to shift my weight forward", you just move your legs and walk. What others have said here is important, elbow off the table, that alone will go a long way, but it'll still feel like you're using your elbow too much, you won't feel that control over your movement like you expect to be able to from doing the lessons right away. Do short lines, shorter than you think you need to. You're not just practicing to do lines in general at first, you're practicing drawing the same line the same way over and over. The SAME line, not a similar one, the same, identical line to the first. Rest your hand at the starting position, and draw only the direction your line is going, returning to rest at the starting position. This will give you the directionality needed for line confidence. You're going one way, drawing one line. Then, ghosting lines, you're doing the same motion, but over the paper until you put your pen down to actually place the line. I haven't quite gotten far in ellipses but I know that the last time I practiced, it was doing a table that helped it fully click. I don't know if this is a universal thing, but when I got it right, my deltoid muscle and shoulder blade muscles started to clinch. I wasn't clinching myself, you can't force it (I have tried), but I started using my shoulder to control my arm's movement and my lines got REALLY smooth and flowing. Remember, start really small. Elbow above the table, hand resting at the starting point. Draw away from the starting point in a single motion. What really helped on the superimposed lines was this video. I used the vertical line as sort of training wheels to help me get used to the motion itself without having to think about where I'd place my pen. Really short lines, so you can be sure you're lining them up properly and practicing that consistent motion. They'll fray, it's fine, you'll work those muscles and it'll happen less. | This sounds silly but hear me out. What seriously helped me with the mind-muscle connection of conciously using my shoulder was pull-ups, dips, rows, and copious amounts of stretching. If you're having a super hard time and your desperate to get better quickly, try stretching to feel your shoulder. Shoulder rotations and chest expansions. Maybe finish off with a lat stretch. Just my incredibly, no drawing ability, novice, two cents with a healthy dose of salt. Someone tell me if I'm giving crappy advice. | 0 | 69,321 | 2 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i16smf8 | i12ybz5 | 1,647,629,869 | 1,647,557,352 | 6 | 2 | This sounds silly but hear me out. What seriously helped me with the mind-muscle connection of conciously using my shoulder was pull-ups, dips, rows, and copious amounts of stretching. If you're having a super hard time and your desperate to get better quickly, try stretching to feel your shoulder. Shoulder rotations and chest expansions. Maybe finish off with a lat stretch. Just my incredibly, no drawing ability, novice, two cents with a healthy dose of salt. Someone tell me if I'm giving crappy advice. | Try to just get the elbow off the table, this will make you use your shoulder more. Then do fast gestures because it is easier to make stable lines. Then with time, you will get stronger muscles and nerve memory and you will be able to do more complex lines. | 1 | 72,517 | 3 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i16smf8 | i14r735 | 1,647,629,869 | 1,647,594,363 | 6 | 2 | This sounds silly but hear me out. What seriously helped me with the mind-muscle connection of conciously using my shoulder was pull-ups, dips, rows, and copious amounts of stretching. If you're having a super hard time and your desperate to get better quickly, try stretching to feel your shoulder. Shoulder rotations and chest expansions. Maybe finish off with a lat stretch. Just my incredibly, no drawing ability, novice, two cents with a healthy dose of salt. Someone tell me if I'm giving crappy advice. | Change to overhand grip! | 1 | 35,506 | 3 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i135l1e | i16smf8 | 1,647,560,479 | 1,647,629,869 | 1 | 6 | Try setting up a drawing board angled more vertical than horizontal. Hold your entire arm somewhat stiff like everything from below the shoulder down is in a cast and swiver from the shoulder. | This sounds silly but hear me out. What seriously helped me with the mind-muscle connection of conciously using my shoulder was pull-ups, dips, rows, and copious amounts of stretching. If you're having a super hard time and your desperate to get better quickly, try stretching to feel your shoulder. Shoulder rotations and chest expansions. Maybe finish off with a lat stretch. Just my incredibly, no drawing ability, novice, two cents with a healthy dose of salt. Someone tell me if I'm giving crappy advice. | 0 | 69,390 | 6 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i135qpc | i16jvdn | 1,647,560,548 | 1,647,626,374 | 3 | 4 | You learn to do it by doing the lessons...Ok, I know how unhelpful that sounds, I'll try to elaborate. So drawing with my shoulder is something I struggled with, but by doing the superimposed lines, ghosting, and table of ellipses exercises, a lot, I built up an understanding of it. Explaining how to use certain muscles is difficult, because you don't really have to think to do it. When you walk, you don't think to yourself "Ok, now I'll lift this leg while balancing on this other leg and placing it in the direction I want to go to shift my weight forward", you just move your legs and walk. What others have said here is important, elbow off the table, that alone will go a long way, but it'll still feel like you're using your elbow too much, you won't feel that control over your movement like you expect to be able to from doing the lessons right away. Do short lines, shorter than you think you need to. You're not just practicing to do lines in general at first, you're practicing drawing the same line the same way over and over. The SAME line, not a similar one, the same, identical line to the first. Rest your hand at the starting position, and draw only the direction your line is going, returning to rest at the starting position. This will give you the directionality needed for line confidence. You're going one way, drawing one line. Then, ghosting lines, you're doing the same motion, but over the paper until you put your pen down to actually place the line. I haven't quite gotten far in ellipses but I know that the last time I practiced, it was doing a table that helped it fully click. I don't know if this is a universal thing, but when I got it right, my deltoid muscle and shoulder blade muscles started to clinch. I wasn't clinching myself, you can't force it (I have tried), but I started using my shoulder to control my arm's movement and my lines got REALLY smooth and flowing. Remember, start really small. Elbow above the table, hand resting at the starting point. Draw away from the starting point in a single motion. What really helped on the superimposed lines was this video. I used the vertical line as sort of training wheels to help me get used to the motion itself without having to think about where I'd place my pen. Really short lines, so you can be sure you're lining them up properly and practicing that consistent motion. They'll fray, it's fine, you'll work those muscles and it'll happen less. | I draw with my elbow not my shoulder | 0 | 65,826 | 1.333333 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i12ybz5 | i16jvdn | 1,647,557,352 | 1,647,626,374 | 2 | 4 | Try to just get the elbow off the table, this will make you use your shoulder more. Then do fast gestures because it is easier to make stable lines. Then with time, you will get stronger muscles and nerve memory and you will be able to do more complex lines. | I draw with my elbow not my shoulder | 0 | 69,022 | 2 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i16jvdn | i14r735 | 1,647,626,374 | 1,647,594,363 | 4 | 2 | I draw with my elbow not my shoulder | Change to overhand grip! | 1 | 32,011 | 2 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i135l1e | i16jvdn | 1,647,560,479 | 1,647,626,374 | 1 | 4 | Try setting up a drawing board angled more vertical than horizontal. Hold your entire arm somewhat stiff like everything from below the shoulder down is in a cast and swiver from the shoulder. | I draw with my elbow not my shoulder | 0 | 65,895 | 4 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i12ybz5 | i135qpc | 1,647,557,352 | 1,647,560,548 | 2 | 3 | Try to just get the elbow off the table, this will make you use your shoulder more. Then do fast gestures because it is easier to make stable lines. Then with time, you will get stronger muscles and nerve memory and you will be able to do more complex lines. | You learn to do it by doing the lessons...Ok, I know how unhelpful that sounds, I'll try to elaborate. So drawing with my shoulder is something I struggled with, but by doing the superimposed lines, ghosting, and table of ellipses exercises, a lot, I built up an understanding of it. Explaining how to use certain muscles is difficult, because you don't really have to think to do it. When you walk, you don't think to yourself "Ok, now I'll lift this leg while balancing on this other leg and placing it in the direction I want to go to shift my weight forward", you just move your legs and walk. What others have said here is important, elbow off the table, that alone will go a long way, but it'll still feel like you're using your elbow too much, you won't feel that control over your movement like you expect to be able to from doing the lessons right away. Do short lines, shorter than you think you need to. You're not just practicing to do lines in general at first, you're practicing drawing the same line the same way over and over. The SAME line, not a similar one, the same, identical line to the first. Rest your hand at the starting position, and draw only the direction your line is going, returning to rest at the starting position. This will give you the directionality needed for line confidence. You're going one way, drawing one line. Then, ghosting lines, you're doing the same motion, but over the paper until you put your pen down to actually place the line. I haven't quite gotten far in ellipses but I know that the last time I practiced, it was doing a table that helped it fully click. I don't know if this is a universal thing, but when I got it right, my deltoid muscle and shoulder blade muscles started to clinch. I wasn't clinching myself, you can't force it (I have tried), but I started using my shoulder to control my arm's movement and my lines got REALLY smooth and flowing. Remember, start really small. Elbow above the table, hand resting at the starting point. Draw away from the starting point in a single motion. What really helped on the superimposed lines was this video. I used the vertical line as sort of training wheels to help me get used to the motion itself without having to think about where I'd place my pen. Really short lines, so you can be sure you're lining them up properly and practicing that consistent motion. They'll fray, it's fine, you'll work those muscles and it'll happen less. | 0 | 3,196 | 1.5 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i135qpc | i135l1e | 1,647,560,548 | 1,647,560,479 | 3 | 1 | You learn to do it by doing the lessons...Ok, I know how unhelpful that sounds, I'll try to elaborate. So drawing with my shoulder is something I struggled with, but by doing the superimposed lines, ghosting, and table of ellipses exercises, a lot, I built up an understanding of it. Explaining how to use certain muscles is difficult, because you don't really have to think to do it. When you walk, you don't think to yourself "Ok, now I'll lift this leg while balancing on this other leg and placing it in the direction I want to go to shift my weight forward", you just move your legs and walk. What others have said here is important, elbow off the table, that alone will go a long way, but it'll still feel like you're using your elbow too much, you won't feel that control over your movement like you expect to be able to from doing the lessons right away. Do short lines, shorter than you think you need to. You're not just practicing to do lines in general at first, you're practicing drawing the same line the same way over and over. The SAME line, not a similar one, the same, identical line to the first. Rest your hand at the starting position, and draw only the direction your line is going, returning to rest at the starting position. This will give you the directionality needed for line confidence. You're going one way, drawing one line. Then, ghosting lines, you're doing the same motion, but over the paper until you put your pen down to actually place the line. I haven't quite gotten far in ellipses but I know that the last time I practiced, it was doing a table that helped it fully click. I don't know if this is a universal thing, but when I got it right, my deltoid muscle and shoulder blade muscles started to clinch. I wasn't clinching myself, you can't force it (I have tried), but I started using my shoulder to control my arm's movement and my lines got REALLY smooth and flowing. Remember, start really small. Elbow above the table, hand resting at the starting point. Draw away from the starting point in a single motion. What really helped on the superimposed lines was this video. I used the vertical line as sort of training wheels to help me get used to the motion itself without having to think about where I'd place my pen. Really short lines, so you can be sure you're lining them up properly and practicing that consistent motion. They'll fray, it's fine, you'll work those muscles and it'll happen less. | Try setting up a drawing board angled more vertical than horizontal. Hold your entire arm somewhat stiff like everything from below the shoulder down is in a cast and swiver from the shoulder. | 1 | 69 | 3 | ||
tgkwh8 | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | how on earth do I draw with the shoulder? i've tried to ditch the wrist like the lessons tell me to, but I can't even make basic short makes with decent precision with my shoulder. it just feels so awkward and every line I make falls entirely off its track. I've tried the ghosting and overlayed lines exercises but they don't help at all cuz I think my arm is just too shakey to get any of it right. could someone please give me some help or advice on how to actually get this down? my lines are super shakey and inaccurate so any other tips on mastering markmaking would be fantastic as well. | i14r735 | i135l1e | 1,647,594,363 | 1,647,560,479 | 2 | 1 | Change to overhand grip! | Try setting up a drawing board angled more vertical than horizontal. Hold your entire arm somewhat stiff like everything from below the shoulder down is in a cast and swiver from the shoulder. | 1 | 33,884 | 2 | ||
qjw2hs | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | About to begin DrawABox, how much time should i set aside On average whats a reasonable amount of time per day to dedicate to learning the material? I go to college and have a full time job so i need to manage where to work in practice. Thanks | hit5q2j | hitl026 | 1,635,714,169 | 1,635,721,402 | 25 | 30 | If it helps, I’m an adult with a full time job and all the responsibilities that come with being an adult. I’d say a couple hours a week. I usually set aside 2-3 ish hours a week to really sit down and focus on the instructions and do the exercises, then put in roughly equivalent time to the 50-50 rule (so like 1.5 hrs to lessons and 1.5 ish free for all drawing). Sometimes sit down twice a week just to break it up. Other weeks I simply don’t have time. Other weeks is more time. But slowly chipping away at it, I’m now on lesson 5. I started maybe 7 months ago (and took off a month plus to move). Hope that helps get some context! | As a tip PLEASE DO NOT binge the lessons, y'll burn out. Is ok, you're learning a whole new skill, take your time. Remember the 50% rule (not only draw to get better), trust me, maybe y'll not see the change imediatelly, but slowly you will see. Is a thing that changes how you think about drawing, is really important. | 0 | 7,233 | 1.2 | ||
qjw2hs | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | About to begin DrawABox, how much time should i set aside On average whats a reasonable amount of time per day to dedicate to learning the material? I go to college and have a full time job so i need to manage where to work in practice. Thanks | hitl026 | hit63pe | 1,635,721,402 | 1,635,714,339 | 30 | 19 | As a tip PLEASE DO NOT binge the lessons, y'll burn out. Is ok, you're learning a whole new skill, take your time. Remember the 50% rule (not only draw to get better), trust me, maybe y'll not see the change imediatelly, but slowly you will see. Is a thing that changes how you think about drawing, is really important. | It varies, honestly. They require a bit more time to complete as the lessons progress. The challenges each take a bit more time in general and usually won’t be done in one sitting. Also, keep in mind the 50% rule. Half of the time you set aside each day should be for drawing something other than DaB. You need the time to apply what you are learning to your personal art. The important thing, in my opinion, is just that you try to draw every day. Even 20-30 minutes works. Building up those habits early on makes drawing on your own easier down the line and will make for strong fundamentals. | 1 | 7,063 | 1.578947 | ||
qjw2hs | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | About to begin DrawABox, how much time should i set aside On average whats a reasonable amount of time per day to dedicate to learning the material? I go to college and have a full time job so i need to manage where to work in practice. Thanks | hit5j1v | hitl026 | 1,635,714,082 | 1,635,721,402 | 7 | 30 | Hello!!!!! I think this is a very subjective question and everyone will have a different answer. The best that I could say is to take a look at your schedule and plan ahead. Based on your schedule, can you put a drawing session everyday? If yes, how long is that drawing session? If you cannot draw everyday, what would be the days of the week where you could draw? Maybe some months, you could draw a little bit less because of school, etc. Just based on that schedule, you can then apply the 50% rule to your sessions (50% Drawabox lessons or challenges/50% drawing for fun) The 50% rule can be applied differently. You can do that for each drawing sessions, half of the time will be dedicated to Drawabox and the other half is dedicated to fun. Another way if you want to stay focus is do 1 drawing session where it's Drawabox and the following day you draw for fun. Now we come to the ultimate question that you asked: how much of your time you should put? Based on your schedule and drawing sessions, your answer will be there. Also some people will ask themselves the following question, how long doing Drawabox lessons and challenges will take??? My answer, sorry if you don't like the cheesy catch all, but it will take as long as it's necessary!!! I've started January 2021, had to take a break during the summer be cause of work and last week, I've finished the 250 boxes challenges. I'm currently doing lesson 2. So don't give up and take the time that is needed. No need to rush through the lessons, you will simply burn yourself out. Enjoy the lessons and the challenges Drawabox offers and always keep that joy of drawing or painting (I may get sued by the Ross company for making that reference 😝). | As a tip PLEASE DO NOT binge the lessons, y'll burn out. Is ok, you're learning a whole new skill, take your time. Remember the 50% rule (not only draw to get better), trust me, maybe y'll not see the change imediatelly, but slowly you will see. Is a thing that changes how you think about drawing, is really important. | 0 | 7,320 | 4.285714 | ||
qjw2hs | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | About to begin DrawABox, how much time should i set aside On average whats a reasonable amount of time per day to dedicate to learning the material? I go to college and have a full time job so i need to manage where to work in practice. Thanks | hit5j1v | hit5q2j | 1,635,714,082 | 1,635,714,169 | 7 | 25 | Hello!!!!! I think this is a very subjective question and everyone will have a different answer. The best that I could say is to take a look at your schedule and plan ahead. Based on your schedule, can you put a drawing session everyday? If yes, how long is that drawing session? If you cannot draw everyday, what would be the days of the week where you could draw? Maybe some months, you could draw a little bit less because of school, etc. Just based on that schedule, you can then apply the 50% rule to your sessions (50% Drawabox lessons or challenges/50% drawing for fun) The 50% rule can be applied differently. You can do that for each drawing sessions, half of the time will be dedicated to Drawabox and the other half is dedicated to fun. Another way if you want to stay focus is do 1 drawing session where it's Drawabox and the following day you draw for fun. Now we come to the ultimate question that you asked: how much of your time you should put? Based on your schedule and drawing sessions, your answer will be there. Also some people will ask themselves the following question, how long doing Drawabox lessons and challenges will take??? My answer, sorry if you don't like the cheesy catch all, but it will take as long as it's necessary!!! I've started January 2021, had to take a break during the summer be cause of work and last week, I've finished the 250 boxes challenges. I'm currently doing lesson 2. So don't give up and take the time that is needed. No need to rush through the lessons, you will simply burn yourself out. Enjoy the lessons and the challenges Drawabox offers and always keep that joy of drawing or painting (I may get sued by the Ross company for making that reference 😝). | If it helps, I’m an adult with a full time job and all the responsibilities that come with being an adult. I’d say a couple hours a week. I usually set aside 2-3 ish hours a week to really sit down and focus on the instructions and do the exercises, then put in roughly equivalent time to the 50-50 rule (so like 1.5 hrs to lessons and 1.5 ish free for all drawing). Sometimes sit down twice a week just to break it up. Other weeks I simply don’t have time. Other weeks is more time. But slowly chipping away at it, I’m now on lesson 5. I started maybe 7 months ago (and took off a month plus to move). Hope that helps get some context! | 0 | 87 | 3.571429 | ||
qjw2hs | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | About to begin DrawABox, how much time should i set aside On average whats a reasonable amount of time per day to dedicate to learning the material? I go to college and have a full time job so i need to manage where to work in practice. Thanks | hit63pe | hiu1yue | 1,635,714,339 | 1,635,730,111 | 19 | 24 | It varies, honestly. They require a bit more time to complete as the lessons progress. The challenges each take a bit more time in general and usually won’t be done in one sitting. Also, keep in mind the 50% rule. Half of the time you set aside each day should be for drawing something other than DaB. You need the time to apply what you are learning to your personal art. The important thing, in my opinion, is just that you try to draw every day. Even 20-30 minutes works. Building up those habits early on makes drawing on your own easier down the line and will make for strong fundamentals. | Try to just sit down an draw every day. Dont focus on any particular amount of time, set the bar ad low as possible, and just build the habit. | 0 | 15,772 | 1.263158 | ||
qjw2hs | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | About to begin DrawABox, how much time should i set aside On average whats a reasonable amount of time per day to dedicate to learning the material? I go to college and have a full time job so i need to manage where to work in practice. Thanks | hit5j1v | hiu1yue | 1,635,714,082 | 1,635,730,111 | 7 | 24 | Hello!!!!! I think this is a very subjective question and everyone will have a different answer. The best that I could say is to take a look at your schedule and plan ahead. Based on your schedule, can you put a drawing session everyday? If yes, how long is that drawing session? If you cannot draw everyday, what would be the days of the week where you could draw? Maybe some months, you could draw a little bit less because of school, etc. Just based on that schedule, you can then apply the 50% rule to your sessions (50% Drawabox lessons or challenges/50% drawing for fun) The 50% rule can be applied differently. You can do that for each drawing sessions, half of the time will be dedicated to Drawabox and the other half is dedicated to fun. Another way if you want to stay focus is do 1 drawing session where it's Drawabox and the following day you draw for fun. Now we come to the ultimate question that you asked: how much of your time you should put? Based on your schedule and drawing sessions, your answer will be there. Also some people will ask themselves the following question, how long doing Drawabox lessons and challenges will take??? My answer, sorry if you don't like the cheesy catch all, but it will take as long as it's necessary!!! I've started January 2021, had to take a break during the summer be cause of work and last week, I've finished the 250 boxes challenges. I'm currently doing lesson 2. So don't give up and take the time that is needed. No need to rush through the lessons, you will simply burn yourself out. Enjoy the lessons and the challenges Drawabox offers and always keep that joy of drawing or painting (I may get sued by the Ross company for making that reference 😝). | Try to just sit down an draw every day. Dont focus on any particular amount of time, set the bar ad low as possible, and just build the habit. | 0 | 16,029 | 3.428571 | ||
qjw2hs | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | About to begin DrawABox, how much time should i set aside On average whats a reasonable amount of time per day to dedicate to learning the material? I go to college and have a full time job so i need to manage where to work in practice. Thanks | hit5j1v | hit63pe | 1,635,714,082 | 1,635,714,339 | 7 | 19 | Hello!!!!! I think this is a very subjective question and everyone will have a different answer. The best that I could say is to take a look at your schedule and plan ahead. Based on your schedule, can you put a drawing session everyday? If yes, how long is that drawing session? If you cannot draw everyday, what would be the days of the week where you could draw? Maybe some months, you could draw a little bit less because of school, etc. Just based on that schedule, you can then apply the 50% rule to your sessions (50% Drawabox lessons or challenges/50% drawing for fun) The 50% rule can be applied differently. You can do that for each drawing sessions, half of the time will be dedicated to Drawabox and the other half is dedicated to fun. Another way if you want to stay focus is do 1 drawing session where it's Drawabox and the following day you draw for fun. Now we come to the ultimate question that you asked: how much of your time you should put? Based on your schedule and drawing sessions, your answer will be there. Also some people will ask themselves the following question, how long doing Drawabox lessons and challenges will take??? My answer, sorry if you don't like the cheesy catch all, but it will take as long as it's necessary!!! I've started January 2021, had to take a break during the summer be cause of work and last week, I've finished the 250 boxes challenges. I'm currently doing lesson 2. So don't give up and take the time that is needed. No need to rush through the lessons, you will simply burn yourself out. Enjoy the lessons and the challenges Drawabox offers and always keep that joy of drawing or painting (I may get sued by the Ross company for making that reference 😝). | It varies, honestly. They require a bit more time to complete as the lessons progress. The challenges each take a bit more time in general and usually won’t be done in one sitting. Also, keep in mind the 50% rule. Half of the time you set aside each day should be for drawing something other than DaB. You need the time to apply what you are learning to your personal art. The important thing, in my opinion, is just that you try to draw every day. Even 20-30 minutes works. Building up those habits early on makes drawing on your own easier down the line and will make for strong fundamentals. | 0 | 257 | 2.714286 | ||
qjw2hs | artfundamentals_train | 0.97 | About to begin DrawABox, how much time should i set aside On average whats a reasonable amount of time per day to dedicate to learning the material? I go to college and have a full time job so i need to manage where to work in practice. Thanks | hium2wg | hit5j1v | 1,635,741,090 | 1,635,714,082 | 12 | 7 | the time frame is going to be long, you are probably going get bored, even with the 50/50 rule, so think at least 1 year or more of consistent practice | Hello!!!!! I think this is a very subjective question and everyone will have a different answer. The best that I could say is to take a look at your schedule and plan ahead. Based on your schedule, can you put a drawing session everyday? If yes, how long is that drawing session? If you cannot draw everyday, what would be the days of the week where you could draw? Maybe some months, you could draw a little bit less because of school, etc. Just based on that schedule, you can then apply the 50% rule to your sessions (50% Drawabox lessons or challenges/50% drawing for fun) The 50% rule can be applied differently. You can do that for each drawing sessions, half of the time will be dedicated to Drawabox and the other half is dedicated to fun. Another way if you want to stay focus is do 1 drawing session where it's Drawabox and the following day you draw for fun. Now we come to the ultimate question that you asked: how much of your time you should put? Based on your schedule and drawing sessions, your answer will be there. Also some people will ask themselves the following question, how long doing Drawabox lessons and challenges will take??? My answer, sorry if you don't like the cheesy catch all, but it will take as long as it's necessary!!! I've started January 2021, had to take a break during the summer be cause of work and last week, I've finished the 250 boxes challenges. I'm currently doing lesson 2. So don't give up and take the time that is needed. No need to rush through the lessons, you will simply burn yourself out. Enjoy the lessons and the challenges Drawabox offers and always keep that joy of drawing or painting (I may get sued by the Ross company for making that reference 😝). | 1 | 27,008 | 1.714286 | ||
pyjmf3 | artfundamentals_train | 0.86 | I feel like drawing on paper is holding me back. I've read Uncomfortable's article on ink/paper, I get the idea behind it, etc. And for the record, I *like* drawing on paper - particularly because it's just so DAMN easy compared to drawing digitally, which is what I ultimately want to do. Since drawing on a tablet is SO INCREDIBLY much more difficult, at least to me, I really want to say goodbye to paper, and spend time getting used to that damn tablet instead (I use a Wacom One, btw). For the record, I'm now studying the lessons that deal with perspective (which are extremely well explained, props to Uncomfortable for that). I've done the exercises so far both on paper and digitally, but as I said, I find myself drawing on paper more and more since I simply get far better results than I do drawing on my tablet. In fact, I feel like my digital drawing skill is only regressing rather than improving, despite me doing exercises as shown in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBE-RTFkXDk daily. So, I guess what I'm really saying is: I refuse to touch a sheet of paper ever again. Is doing the Drawabox exercises still useful, or are they generally a waste of time if you are drawing digitally exclusively? What do you guys recommend me to do? | hevfkb1 | heuuq5y | 1,633,022,203 | 1,633,013,577 | 30 | 15 | Seems like everyone ignored you and your wants and substituted themselves in or just parroted stuff that's been said before. You aren't looking for motivation to stay with paper, you're looking for digital-only recommendations. You seem like you hate paper and you have given it a shot already. Instead of forcing yourself to continue doing something you genuinely don't like, eroding your interest, switch to digital only. If you don't ever have a need for paper/pen and you have tried it out and don't like it, start practicing with the medium you like. Paper/pen isn't going to magically disappear, you can go back whenever you feel the desire (if ever). You can definitely apply the lessons to digital only, you are just going to be getting different results and I don't think anyone will review your homework, based on the rules, but you can make it work. I pay people on fiver to critique my work, you could probably figure out something along the same lines. I would recommend pivoting away from drawabox since it is paper/pen focused and there are more digital focused classes out there. In theory, it will be harder not having the fundentals of paper/pen but who says you can't practice the fundamentals on your tablet? BTW, I'm practicing paper/pen with a $800 tablet collecting dust. I am going paper/pen because I was so bad at my digital attempts, I almost stopped practicing altogether. That doesn't mean you should force yourself to do the same. tl;dr: switch to what makes you happy before your passion goes away | I think you're conflating too different skills. Hard for me to say without knowing your skill levels, but if you're a true beginner, the ability to draw is a skill and the ability to draw digitally is more a technical application of that skill than anything else. Don't make the process of learning to draw harder for yourself by trying to learn two skills at the same time. For example, you can check my profile and see that my last post was a digital drawing. That was only my second digital drawing ever, but it was relatively easy to pull off because I had spent all my time over the past year and a half or so learning to draw on pencil and paper. Since I knew those fundamentals so well, the transition to digital was ultimately pretty easy because I just took what I knew from the traditional world and applied it to the software. The beauty of pen and paper is how intuitive the relationship between the beginner and the sheet of paper and a pen is. There's almost no technical learning curve to undergo. An over-obsession with materials and techniques is a common among beginners, I've found. But ultimately, give even just an intermediate artist a crayon and the underside of used Amazon box and they'll be able to make a better drawing than the beginner with all the most expensive equipment in the world. Similarly, an experienced artist who has only ever draw "irl" can probably pop into Photoshop for the first time and make better work in an hour than you would believe because the "Art Fundamentals" (if you will) never change. TL; DR: You're kinda putting the cart before the horse here. | 1 | 8,626 | 2 | ||
pyjmf3 | artfundamentals_train | 0.86 | I feel like drawing on paper is holding me back. I've read Uncomfortable's article on ink/paper, I get the idea behind it, etc. And for the record, I *like* drawing on paper - particularly because it's just so DAMN easy compared to drawing digitally, which is what I ultimately want to do. Since drawing on a tablet is SO INCREDIBLY much more difficult, at least to me, I really want to say goodbye to paper, and spend time getting used to that damn tablet instead (I use a Wacom One, btw). For the record, I'm now studying the lessons that deal with perspective (which are extremely well explained, props to Uncomfortable for that). I've done the exercises so far both on paper and digitally, but as I said, I find myself drawing on paper more and more since I simply get far better results than I do drawing on my tablet. In fact, I feel like my digital drawing skill is only regressing rather than improving, despite me doing exercises as shown in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBE-RTFkXDk daily. So, I guess what I'm really saying is: I refuse to touch a sheet of paper ever again. Is doing the Drawabox exercises still useful, or are they generally a waste of time if you are drawing digitally exclusively? What do you guys recommend me to do? | hevfkb1 | heut1vu | 1,633,022,203 | 1,633,012,879 | 30 | 11 | Seems like everyone ignored you and your wants and substituted themselves in or just parroted stuff that's been said before. You aren't looking for motivation to stay with paper, you're looking for digital-only recommendations. You seem like you hate paper and you have given it a shot already. Instead of forcing yourself to continue doing something you genuinely don't like, eroding your interest, switch to digital only. If you don't ever have a need for paper/pen and you have tried it out and don't like it, start practicing with the medium you like. Paper/pen isn't going to magically disappear, you can go back whenever you feel the desire (if ever). You can definitely apply the lessons to digital only, you are just going to be getting different results and I don't think anyone will review your homework, based on the rules, but you can make it work. I pay people on fiver to critique my work, you could probably figure out something along the same lines. I would recommend pivoting away from drawabox since it is paper/pen focused and there are more digital focused classes out there. In theory, it will be harder not having the fundentals of paper/pen but who says you can't practice the fundamentals on your tablet? BTW, I'm practicing paper/pen with a $800 tablet collecting dust. I am going paper/pen because I was so bad at my digital attempts, I almost stopped practicing altogether. That doesn't mean you should force yourself to do the same. tl;dr: switch to what makes you happy before your passion goes away | Just do the 50% rule digitally. And continue using paper and ink like the lessons suggest. | 1 | 9,324 | 2.727273 | ||
pyjmf3 | artfundamentals_train | 0.86 | I feel like drawing on paper is holding me back. I've read Uncomfortable's article on ink/paper, I get the idea behind it, etc. And for the record, I *like* drawing on paper - particularly because it's just so DAMN easy compared to drawing digitally, which is what I ultimately want to do. Since drawing on a tablet is SO INCREDIBLY much more difficult, at least to me, I really want to say goodbye to paper, and spend time getting used to that damn tablet instead (I use a Wacom One, btw). For the record, I'm now studying the lessons that deal with perspective (which are extremely well explained, props to Uncomfortable for that). I've done the exercises so far both on paper and digitally, but as I said, I find myself drawing on paper more and more since I simply get far better results than I do drawing on my tablet. In fact, I feel like my digital drawing skill is only regressing rather than improving, despite me doing exercises as shown in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBE-RTFkXDk daily. So, I guess what I'm really saying is: I refuse to touch a sheet of paper ever again. Is doing the Drawabox exercises still useful, or are they generally a waste of time if you are drawing digitally exclusively? What do you guys recommend me to do? | heuwfxv | hevfkb1 | 1,633,014,290 | 1,633,022,203 | 10 | 30 | I think you got it backwards and digital art is holding you back. At least in lesson 1 the utmost important thing is precision, confidence, swiftness and muscle memory. Now all four are best learned when using paper and a good pen. A tablet on the other hand has a lot of variables (software and hardware) that negatively affect your learning process. As I'm now almost done with lesson 1, I can say that doing it on paper helped me tremendously in drawing with my tablet as I start noticing which mistakes are done by me and which are doing through the tablet which I otherwise wasn't able to tell. | Seems like everyone ignored you and your wants and substituted themselves in or just parroted stuff that's been said before. You aren't looking for motivation to stay with paper, you're looking for digital-only recommendations. You seem like you hate paper and you have given it a shot already. Instead of forcing yourself to continue doing something you genuinely don't like, eroding your interest, switch to digital only. If you don't ever have a need for paper/pen and you have tried it out and don't like it, start practicing with the medium you like. Paper/pen isn't going to magically disappear, you can go back whenever you feel the desire (if ever). You can definitely apply the lessons to digital only, you are just going to be getting different results and I don't think anyone will review your homework, based on the rules, but you can make it work. I pay people on fiver to critique my work, you could probably figure out something along the same lines. I would recommend pivoting away from drawabox since it is paper/pen focused and there are more digital focused classes out there. In theory, it will be harder not having the fundentals of paper/pen but who says you can't practice the fundamentals on your tablet? BTW, I'm practicing paper/pen with a $800 tablet collecting dust. I am going paper/pen because I was so bad at my digital attempts, I almost stopped practicing altogether. That doesn't mean you should force yourself to do the same. tl;dr: switch to what makes you happy before your passion goes away | 0 | 7,913 | 3 | ||
pyjmf3 | artfundamentals_train | 0.86 | I feel like drawing on paper is holding me back. I've read Uncomfortable's article on ink/paper, I get the idea behind it, etc. And for the record, I *like* drawing on paper - particularly because it's just so DAMN easy compared to drawing digitally, which is what I ultimately want to do. Since drawing on a tablet is SO INCREDIBLY much more difficult, at least to me, I really want to say goodbye to paper, and spend time getting used to that damn tablet instead (I use a Wacom One, btw). For the record, I'm now studying the lessons that deal with perspective (which are extremely well explained, props to Uncomfortable for that). I've done the exercises so far both on paper and digitally, but as I said, I find myself drawing on paper more and more since I simply get far better results than I do drawing on my tablet. In fact, I feel like my digital drawing skill is only regressing rather than improving, despite me doing exercises as shown in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBE-RTFkXDk daily. So, I guess what I'm really saying is: I refuse to touch a sheet of paper ever again. Is doing the Drawabox exercises still useful, or are they generally a waste of time if you are drawing digitally exclusively? What do you guys recommend me to do? | hevfkb1 | heuxyo9 | 1,633,022,203 | 1,633,014,926 | 30 | 10 | Seems like everyone ignored you and your wants and substituted themselves in or just parroted stuff that's been said before. You aren't looking for motivation to stay with paper, you're looking for digital-only recommendations. You seem like you hate paper and you have given it a shot already. Instead of forcing yourself to continue doing something you genuinely don't like, eroding your interest, switch to digital only. If you don't ever have a need for paper/pen and you have tried it out and don't like it, start practicing with the medium you like. Paper/pen isn't going to magically disappear, you can go back whenever you feel the desire (if ever). You can definitely apply the lessons to digital only, you are just going to be getting different results and I don't think anyone will review your homework, based on the rules, but you can make it work. I pay people on fiver to critique my work, you could probably figure out something along the same lines. I would recommend pivoting away from drawabox since it is paper/pen focused and there are more digital focused classes out there. In theory, it will be harder not having the fundentals of paper/pen but who says you can't practice the fundamentals on your tablet? BTW, I'm practicing paper/pen with a $800 tablet collecting dust. I am going paper/pen because I was so bad at my digital attempts, I almost stopped practicing altogether. That doesn't mean you should force yourself to do the same. tl;dr: switch to what makes you happy before your passion goes away | After having bought a graphics monitor and drawing tablet, I'm finding ( after a year of studying) I love paper, even though I had a similar experience to yours. I would say keep it 50 50, I think staying on "both sides" the whole time will make it apparent which one you prefer but also challenges you to be very versatile. Ultimately a good artist can use both effortlessly in my mind. I'd judge later on, when you are inching towards the end of the course, good luck! | 1 | 7,277 | 3 | ||
pyjmf3 | artfundamentals_train | 0.86 | I feel like drawing on paper is holding me back. I've read Uncomfortable's article on ink/paper, I get the idea behind it, etc. And for the record, I *like* drawing on paper - particularly because it's just so DAMN easy compared to drawing digitally, which is what I ultimately want to do. Since drawing on a tablet is SO INCREDIBLY much more difficult, at least to me, I really want to say goodbye to paper, and spend time getting used to that damn tablet instead (I use a Wacom One, btw). For the record, I'm now studying the lessons that deal with perspective (which are extremely well explained, props to Uncomfortable for that). I've done the exercises so far both on paper and digitally, but as I said, I find myself drawing on paper more and more since I simply get far better results than I do drawing on my tablet. In fact, I feel like my digital drawing skill is only regressing rather than improving, despite me doing exercises as shown in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBE-RTFkXDk daily. So, I guess what I'm really saying is: I refuse to touch a sheet of paper ever again. Is doing the Drawabox exercises still useful, or are they generally a waste of time if you are drawing digitally exclusively? What do you guys recommend me to do? | heuuq5y | hevibe1 | 1,633,013,577 | 1,633,023,325 | 15 | 18 | I think you're conflating too different skills. Hard for me to say without knowing your skill levels, but if you're a true beginner, the ability to draw is a skill and the ability to draw digitally is more a technical application of that skill than anything else. Don't make the process of learning to draw harder for yourself by trying to learn two skills at the same time. For example, you can check my profile and see that my last post was a digital drawing. That was only my second digital drawing ever, but it was relatively easy to pull off because I had spent all my time over the past year and a half or so learning to draw on pencil and paper. Since I knew those fundamentals so well, the transition to digital was ultimately pretty easy because I just took what I knew from the traditional world and applied it to the software. The beauty of pen and paper is how intuitive the relationship between the beginner and the sheet of paper and a pen is. There's almost no technical learning curve to undergo. An over-obsession with materials and techniques is a common among beginners, I've found. But ultimately, give even just an intermediate artist a crayon and the underside of used Amazon box and they'll be able to make a better drawing than the beginner with all the most expensive equipment in the world. Similarly, an experienced artist who has only ever draw "irl" can probably pop into Photoshop for the first time and make better work in an hour than you would believe because the "Art Fundamentals" (if you will) never change. TL; DR: You're kinda putting the cart before the horse here. | i actually started drawing on a digital tablet because i dont have a lot of money to keep buying paper and art supplies and i dont have a lot of space either. i have tried to draw on paper before, but i really prefer drawing digitally because for 1, it so much more forgiving, 2 its less messy and 3 its actually easier, at least for me. Digital drawing has a lot of helpful tools that drawing on paper doesn't. i started the drawbox tutorials with digital and yes they were helpful. | 0 | 9,748 | 1.2 | ||
pyjmf3 | artfundamentals_train | 0.86 | I feel like drawing on paper is holding me back. I've read Uncomfortable's article on ink/paper, I get the idea behind it, etc. And for the record, I *like* drawing on paper - particularly because it's just so DAMN easy compared to drawing digitally, which is what I ultimately want to do. Since drawing on a tablet is SO INCREDIBLY much more difficult, at least to me, I really want to say goodbye to paper, and spend time getting used to that damn tablet instead (I use a Wacom One, btw). For the record, I'm now studying the lessons that deal with perspective (which are extremely well explained, props to Uncomfortable for that). I've done the exercises so far both on paper and digitally, but as I said, I find myself drawing on paper more and more since I simply get far better results than I do drawing on my tablet. In fact, I feel like my digital drawing skill is only regressing rather than improving, despite me doing exercises as shown in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBE-RTFkXDk daily. So, I guess what I'm really saying is: I refuse to touch a sheet of paper ever again. Is doing the Drawabox exercises still useful, or are they generally a waste of time if you are drawing digitally exclusively? What do you guys recommend me to do? | hevibe1 | heut1vu | 1,633,023,325 | 1,633,012,879 | 18 | 11 | i actually started drawing on a digital tablet because i dont have a lot of money to keep buying paper and art supplies and i dont have a lot of space either. i have tried to draw on paper before, but i really prefer drawing digitally because for 1, it so much more forgiving, 2 its less messy and 3 its actually easier, at least for me. Digital drawing has a lot of helpful tools that drawing on paper doesn't. i started the drawbox tutorials with digital and yes they were helpful. | Just do the 50% rule digitally. And continue using paper and ink like the lessons suggest. | 1 | 10,446 | 1.636364 | ||
pyjmf3 | artfundamentals_train | 0.86 | I feel like drawing on paper is holding me back. I've read Uncomfortable's article on ink/paper, I get the idea behind it, etc. And for the record, I *like* drawing on paper - particularly because it's just so DAMN easy compared to drawing digitally, which is what I ultimately want to do. Since drawing on a tablet is SO INCREDIBLY much more difficult, at least to me, I really want to say goodbye to paper, and spend time getting used to that damn tablet instead (I use a Wacom One, btw). For the record, I'm now studying the lessons that deal with perspective (which are extremely well explained, props to Uncomfortable for that). I've done the exercises so far both on paper and digitally, but as I said, I find myself drawing on paper more and more since I simply get far better results than I do drawing on my tablet. In fact, I feel like my digital drawing skill is only regressing rather than improving, despite me doing exercises as shown in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBE-RTFkXDk daily. So, I guess what I'm really saying is: I refuse to touch a sheet of paper ever again. Is doing the Drawabox exercises still useful, or are they generally a waste of time if you are drawing digitally exclusively? What do you guys recommend me to do? | heuwfxv | hevibe1 | 1,633,014,290 | 1,633,023,325 | 10 | 18 | I think you got it backwards and digital art is holding you back. At least in lesson 1 the utmost important thing is precision, confidence, swiftness and muscle memory. Now all four are best learned when using paper and a good pen. A tablet on the other hand has a lot of variables (software and hardware) that negatively affect your learning process. As I'm now almost done with lesson 1, I can say that doing it on paper helped me tremendously in drawing with my tablet as I start noticing which mistakes are done by me and which are doing through the tablet which I otherwise wasn't able to tell. | i actually started drawing on a digital tablet because i dont have a lot of money to keep buying paper and art supplies and i dont have a lot of space either. i have tried to draw on paper before, but i really prefer drawing digitally because for 1, it so much more forgiving, 2 its less messy and 3 its actually easier, at least for me. Digital drawing has a lot of helpful tools that drawing on paper doesn't. i started the drawbox tutorials with digital and yes they were helpful. | 0 | 9,035 | 1.8 | ||
pyjmf3 | artfundamentals_train | 0.86 | I feel like drawing on paper is holding me back. I've read Uncomfortable's article on ink/paper, I get the idea behind it, etc. And for the record, I *like* drawing on paper - particularly because it's just so DAMN easy compared to drawing digitally, which is what I ultimately want to do. Since drawing on a tablet is SO INCREDIBLY much more difficult, at least to me, I really want to say goodbye to paper, and spend time getting used to that damn tablet instead (I use a Wacom One, btw). For the record, I'm now studying the lessons that deal with perspective (which are extremely well explained, props to Uncomfortable for that). I've done the exercises so far both on paper and digitally, but as I said, I find myself drawing on paper more and more since I simply get far better results than I do drawing on my tablet. In fact, I feel like my digital drawing skill is only regressing rather than improving, despite me doing exercises as shown in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBE-RTFkXDk daily. So, I guess what I'm really saying is: I refuse to touch a sheet of paper ever again. Is doing the Drawabox exercises still useful, or are they generally a waste of time if you are drawing digitally exclusively? What do you guys recommend me to do? | heuxyo9 | hevibe1 | 1,633,014,926 | 1,633,023,325 | 10 | 18 | After having bought a graphics monitor and drawing tablet, I'm finding ( after a year of studying) I love paper, even though I had a similar experience to yours. I would say keep it 50 50, I think staying on "both sides" the whole time will make it apparent which one you prefer but also challenges you to be very versatile. Ultimately a good artist can use both effortlessly in my mind. I'd judge later on, when you are inching towards the end of the course, good luck! | i actually started drawing on a digital tablet because i dont have a lot of money to keep buying paper and art supplies and i dont have a lot of space either. i have tried to draw on paper before, but i really prefer drawing digitally because for 1, it so much more forgiving, 2 its less messy and 3 its actually easier, at least for me. Digital drawing has a lot of helpful tools that drawing on paper doesn't. i started the drawbox tutorials with digital and yes they were helpful. | 0 | 8,399 | 1.8 | ||
pyjmf3 | artfundamentals_train | 0.86 | I feel like drawing on paper is holding me back. I've read Uncomfortable's article on ink/paper, I get the idea behind it, etc. And for the record, I *like* drawing on paper - particularly because it's just so DAMN easy compared to drawing digitally, which is what I ultimately want to do. Since drawing on a tablet is SO INCREDIBLY much more difficult, at least to me, I really want to say goodbye to paper, and spend time getting used to that damn tablet instead (I use a Wacom One, btw). For the record, I'm now studying the lessons that deal with perspective (which are extremely well explained, props to Uncomfortable for that). I've done the exercises so far both on paper and digitally, but as I said, I find myself drawing on paper more and more since I simply get far better results than I do drawing on my tablet. In fact, I feel like my digital drawing skill is only regressing rather than improving, despite me doing exercises as shown in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBE-RTFkXDk daily. So, I guess what I'm really saying is: I refuse to touch a sheet of paper ever again. Is doing the Drawabox exercises still useful, or are they generally a waste of time if you are drawing digitally exclusively? What do you guys recommend me to do? | heut1vu | heuuq5y | 1,633,012,879 | 1,633,013,577 | 11 | 15 | Just do the 50% rule digitally. And continue using paper and ink like the lessons suggest. | I think you're conflating too different skills. Hard for me to say without knowing your skill levels, but if you're a true beginner, the ability to draw is a skill and the ability to draw digitally is more a technical application of that skill than anything else. Don't make the process of learning to draw harder for yourself by trying to learn two skills at the same time. For example, you can check my profile and see that my last post was a digital drawing. That was only my second digital drawing ever, but it was relatively easy to pull off because I had spent all my time over the past year and a half or so learning to draw on pencil and paper. Since I knew those fundamentals so well, the transition to digital was ultimately pretty easy because I just took what I knew from the traditional world and applied it to the software. The beauty of pen and paper is how intuitive the relationship between the beginner and the sheet of paper and a pen is. There's almost no technical learning curve to undergo. An over-obsession with materials and techniques is a common among beginners, I've found. But ultimately, give even just an intermediate artist a crayon and the underside of used Amazon box and they'll be able to make a better drawing than the beginner with all the most expensive equipment in the world. Similarly, an experienced artist who has only ever draw "irl" can probably pop into Photoshop for the first time and make better work in an hour than you would believe because the "Art Fundamentals" (if you will) never change. TL; DR: You're kinda putting the cart before the horse here. | 0 | 698 | 1.363636 | ||
pyjmf3 | artfundamentals_train | 0.86 | I feel like drawing on paper is holding me back. I've read Uncomfortable's article on ink/paper, I get the idea behind it, etc. And for the record, I *like* drawing on paper - particularly because it's just so DAMN easy compared to drawing digitally, which is what I ultimately want to do. Since drawing on a tablet is SO INCREDIBLY much more difficult, at least to me, I really want to say goodbye to paper, and spend time getting used to that damn tablet instead (I use a Wacom One, btw). For the record, I'm now studying the lessons that deal with perspective (which are extremely well explained, props to Uncomfortable for that). I've done the exercises so far both on paper and digitally, but as I said, I find myself drawing on paper more and more since I simply get far better results than I do drawing on my tablet. In fact, I feel like my digital drawing skill is only regressing rather than improving, despite me doing exercises as shown in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBE-RTFkXDk daily. So, I guess what I'm really saying is: I refuse to touch a sheet of paper ever again. Is doing the Drawabox exercises still useful, or are they generally a waste of time if you are drawing digitally exclusively? What do you guys recommend me to do? | heut1vu | hew5mxk | 1,633,012,879 | 1,633,033,162 | 11 | 14 | Just do the 50% rule digitally. And continue using paper and ink like the lessons suggest. | Have you considered purchasing a pen tip or tablet cover to simulate the texture of paper? That may help you transfer the skill from paper to digital. | 0 | 20,283 | 1.272727 | ||
pyjmf3 | artfundamentals_train | 0.86 | I feel like drawing on paper is holding me back. I've read Uncomfortable's article on ink/paper, I get the idea behind it, etc. And for the record, I *like* drawing on paper - particularly because it's just so DAMN easy compared to drawing digitally, which is what I ultimately want to do. Since drawing on a tablet is SO INCREDIBLY much more difficult, at least to me, I really want to say goodbye to paper, and spend time getting used to that damn tablet instead (I use a Wacom One, btw). For the record, I'm now studying the lessons that deal with perspective (which are extremely well explained, props to Uncomfortable for that). I've done the exercises so far both on paper and digitally, but as I said, I find myself drawing on paper more and more since I simply get far better results than I do drawing on my tablet. In fact, I feel like my digital drawing skill is only regressing rather than improving, despite me doing exercises as shown in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBE-RTFkXDk daily. So, I guess what I'm really saying is: I refuse to touch a sheet of paper ever again. Is doing the Drawabox exercises still useful, or are they generally a waste of time if you are drawing digitally exclusively? What do you guys recommend me to do? | hew5mxk | heuwfxv | 1,633,033,162 | 1,633,014,290 | 14 | 10 | Have you considered purchasing a pen tip or tablet cover to simulate the texture of paper? That may help you transfer the skill from paper to digital. | I think you got it backwards and digital art is holding you back. At least in lesson 1 the utmost important thing is precision, confidence, swiftness and muscle memory. Now all four are best learned when using paper and a good pen. A tablet on the other hand has a lot of variables (software and hardware) that negatively affect your learning process. As I'm now almost done with lesson 1, I can say that doing it on paper helped me tremendously in drawing with my tablet as I start noticing which mistakes are done by me and which are doing through the tablet which I otherwise wasn't able to tell. | 1 | 18,872 | 1.4 | ||
pyjmf3 | artfundamentals_train | 0.86 | I feel like drawing on paper is holding me back. I've read Uncomfortable's article on ink/paper, I get the idea behind it, etc. And for the record, I *like* drawing on paper - particularly because it's just so DAMN easy compared to drawing digitally, which is what I ultimately want to do. Since drawing on a tablet is SO INCREDIBLY much more difficult, at least to me, I really want to say goodbye to paper, and spend time getting used to that damn tablet instead (I use a Wacom One, btw). For the record, I'm now studying the lessons that deal with perspective (which are extremely well explained, props to Uncomfortable for that). I've done the exercises so far both on paper and digitally, but as I said, I find myself drawing on paper more and more since I simply get far better results than I do drawing on my tablet. In fact, I feel like my digital drawing skill is only regressing rather than improving, despite me doing exercises as shown in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBE-RTFkXDk daily. So, I guess what I'm really saying is: I refuse to touch a sheet of paper ever again. Is doing the Drawabox exercises still useful, or are they generally a waste of time if you are drawing digitally exclusively? What do you guys recommend me to do? | hew5mxk | heuxyo9 | 1,633,033,162 | 1,633,014,926 | 14 | 10 | Have you considered purchasing a pen tip or tablet cover to simulate the texture of paper? That may help you transfer the skill from paper to digital. | After having bought a graphics monitor and drawing tablet, I'm finding ( after a year of studying) I love paper, even though I had a similar experience to yours. I would say keep it 50 50, I think staying on "both sides" the whole time will make it apparent which one you prefer but also challenges you to be very versatile. Ultimately a good artist can use both effortlessly in my mind. I'd judge later on, when you are inching towards the end of the course, good luck! | 1 | 18,236 | 1.4 | ||
pyjmf3 | artfundamentals_train | 0.86 | I feel like drawing on paper is holding me back. I've read Uncomfortable's article on ink/paper, I get the idea behind it, etc. And for the record, I *like* drawing on paper - particularly because it's just so DAMN easy compared to drawing digitally, which is what I ultimately want to do. Since drawing on a tablet is SO INCREDIBLY much more difficult, at least to me, I really want to say goodbye to paper, and spend time getting used to that damn tablet instead (I use a Wacom One, btw). For the record, I'm now studying the lessons that deal with perspective (which are extremely well explained, props to Uncomfortable for that). I've done the exercises so far both on paper and digitally, but as I said, I find myself drawing on paper more and more since I simply get far better results than I do drawing on my tablet. In fact, I feel like my digital drawing skill is only regressing rather than improving, despite me doing exercises as shown in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBE-RTFkXDk daily. So, I guess what I'm really saying is: I refuse to touch a sheet of paper ever again. Is doing the Drawabox exercises still useful, or are they generally a waste of time if you are drawing digitally exclusively? What do you guys recommend me to do? | hew05dq | hew5mxk | 1,633,030,801 | 1,633,033,162 | 8 | 14 | honestly i have it the other way around, i find it easiest to do on digital cause it has a few neat tricks to it and i can undo mistakes. also i can highly reccomend using osu to practice every now and again | Have you considered purchasing a pen tip or tablet cover to simulate the texture of paper? That may help you transfer the skill from paper to digital. | 0 | 2,361 | 1.75 | ||
pyjmf3 | artfundamentals_train | 0.86 | I feel like drawing on paper is holding me back. I've read Uncomfortable's article on ink/paper, I get the idea behind it, etc. And for the record, I *like* drawing on paper - particularly because it's just so DAMN easy compared to drawing digitally, which is what I ultimately want to do. Since drawing on a tablet is SO INCREDIBLY much more difficult, at least to me, I really want to say goodbye to paper, and spend time getting used to that damn tablet instead (I use a Wacom One, btw). For the record, I'm now studying the lessons that deal with perspective (which are extremely well explained, props to Uncomfortable for that). I've done the exercises so far both on paper and digitally, but as I said, I find myself drawing on paper more and more since I simply get far better results than I do drawing on my tablet. In fact, I feel like my digital drawing skill is only regressing rather than improving, despite me doing exercises as shown in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBE-RTFkXDk daily. So, I guess what I'm really saying is: I refuse to touch a sheet of paper ever again. Is doing the Drawabox exercises still useful, or are they generally a waste of time if you are drawing digitally exclusively? What do you guys recommend me to do? | hexcazg | hew05dq | 1,633,053,234 | 1,633,030,801 | 10 | 8 | I’ve never gone back to paper after going digital | honestly i have it the other way around, i find it easiest to do on digital cause it has a few neat tricks to it and i can undo mistakes. also i can highly reccomend using osu to practice every now and again | 1 | 22,433 | 1.25 | ||
pyjmf3 | artfundamentals_train | 0.86 | I feel like drawing on paper is holding me back. I've read Uncomfortable's article on ink/paper, I get the idea behind it, etc. And for the record, I *like* drawing on paper - particularly because it's just so DAMN easy compared to drawing digitally, which is what I ultimately want to do. Since drawing on a tablet is SO INCREDIBLY much more difficult, at least to me, I really want to say goodbye to paper, and spend time getting used to that damn tablet instead (I use a Wacom One, btw). For the record, I'm now studying the lessons that deal with perspective (which are extremely well explained, props to Uncomfortable for that). I've done the exercises so far both on paper and digitally, but as I said, I find myself drawing on paper more and more since I simply get far better results than I do drawing on my tablet. In fact, I feel like my digital drawing skill is only regressing rather than improving, despite me doing exercises as shown in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBE-RTFkXDk daily. So, I guess what I'm really saying is: I refuse to touch a sheet of paper ever again. Is doing the Drawabox exercises still useful, or are they generally a waste of time if you are drawing digitally exclusively? What do you guys recommend me to do? | hexcazg | hewbk3g | 1,633,053,234 | 1,633,035,783 | 10 | 7 | I’ve never gone back to paper after going digital | I enjoy doodling sometimes on paper, then if I like it enough try and draw on a tablet or whatever. | 1 | 17,451 | 1.428571 | ||
rw9kme | artfundamentals_train | 0.91 | Where/on What Do You Draw? What's everyone's setup when just starting out? What do you recommend? Since the lessons are supposed to be done on regular printer paper, what surface is behind your paper? More paper? Table top? Slant desk? I want to get started, and I've come to realize that stressing out about this is a hang-up, and keeping me from diving in. Thanks, happy artistry! | hramznk | hranoyy | 1,641,347,068 | 1,641,347,363 | 3 | 8 | A little stack of paper, and I got a clipboard to tape them to, so I can rotate easier | You have to start drawing. There are books on drawing with suggestions to draw all kinds of things. Draw whats on your desk, your stove, kitchen table, cabinets etc. Start with a plain tablet of drawing paper and see how you like it. Then try other types of paper. | 0 | 295 | 2.666667 | ||
rw9kme | artfundamentals_train | 0.91 | Where/on What Do You Draw? What's everyone's setup when just starting out? What do you recommend? Since the lessons are supposed to be done on regular printer paper, what surface is behind your paper? More paper? Table top? Slant desk? I want to get started, and I've come to realize that stressing out about this is a hang-up, and keeping me from diving in. Thanks, happy artistry! | hrastgn | hramznk | 1,641,349,515 | 1,641,347,068 | 5 | 3 | I draw on work notepads. If I really want to sit down with a piece, it's more than likely going to be digital. That being said, the best way to make art is to just do it. Don't overthink it or you'll never make anything. | A little stack of paper, and I got a clipboard to tape them to, so I can rotate easier | 1 | 2,447 | 1.666667 | ||
rw9kme | artfundamentals_train | 0.91 | Where/on What Do You Draw? What's everyone's setup when just starting out? What do you recommend? Since the lessons are supposed to be done on regular printer paper, what surface is behind your paper? More paper? Table top? Slant desk? I want to get started, and I've come to realize that stressing out about this is a hang-up, and keeping me from diving in. Thanks, happy artistry! | hramznk | hraqcok | 1,641,347,068 | 1,641,348,479 | 3 | 5 | A little stack of paper, and I got a clipboard to tape them to, so I can rotate easier | I use a wooden drawing board when I don’t want to work at my desk. You can find them on Amazon or even Michaels/whatever your local art store is. They can charge ridiculous amounts for what is really just a big hunk of sanded plywood. Honestly just grab a big piece of finished plywood from your local hardware store for 5$. It’s nice as I can draw comfortably in a rocking chair, on the floor, sitting on my lap, etc. with pens and everything. | 0 | 1,411 | 1.666667 | ||
rw9kme | artfundamentals_train | 0.91 | Where/on What Do You Draw? What's everyone's setup when just starting out? What do you recommend? Since the lessons are supposed to be done on regular printer paper, what surface is behind your paper? More paper? Table top? Slant desk? I want to get started, and I've come to realize that stressing out about this is a hang-up, and keeping me from diving in. Thanks, happy artistry! | hrcofk6 | hrcnhsx | 1,641,389,867 | 1,641,389,399 | 5 | 4 | I work on my dinning room table or my desk. They both have textured surfaces tho so i always stack a few additional papera underneath the sheet I'm working on. I see people are saying that they have a clipboard or a wooden drawing tablet (something along those lines). Honestly you don't need any of that. A small stack of 10 pages will do. So then all you need is: A clear surface like a table A chair that's comfortable enough to spend and hour or two on it A stack of printer paper A fine liner A ruler ..... I think that's it In addition: I saw someone say that they lay on the floor with a clipboard in front of them. DO NOT work on draw a box while lying down. It's not good posture and will prevent you from using you full arm mobility as per the courses' instructions | https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtistBattlestations/ Here is mine if you're curious, I use and adjustable laptop stand and the draw pad to give me an angled desk for paper, the laptop stand works well for my large wacom (second picture) too | 1 | 468 | 1.25 | ||
rw9kme | artfundamentals_train | 0.91 | Where/on What Do You Draw? What's everyone's setup when just starting out? What do you recommend? Since the lessons are supposed to be done on regular printer paper, what surface is behind your paper? More paper? Table top? Slant desk? I want to get started, and I've come to realize that stressing out about this is a hang-up, and keeping me from diving in. Thanks, happy artistry! | hramznk | hrcnhsx | 1,641,347,068 | 1,641,389,399 | 3 | 4 | A little stack of paper, and I got a clipboard to tape them to, so I can rotate easier | https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtistBattlestations/ Here is mine if you're curious, I use and adjustable laptop stand and the draw pad to give me an angled desk for paper, the laptop stand works well for my large wacom (second picture) too | 0 | 42,331 | 1.333333 | ||
rw9kme | artfundamentals_train | 0.91 | Where/on What Do You Draw? What's everyone's setup when just starting out? What do you recommend? Since the lessons are supposed to be done on regular printer paper, what surface is behind your paper? More paper? Table top? Slant desk? I want to get started, and I've come to realize that stressing out about this is a hang-up, and keeping me from diving in. Thanks, happy artistry! | hrb6oh0 | hrcnhsx | 1,641,355,630 | 1,641,389,399 | 3 | 4 | I am learning how to draw and I am using very basic equipment (I smudge with Q-tips), I am going to treat myself with more equipment once I finished this book about fundamentals (as a reward) .. from my experience and the huge progress I am making .. I can say that you don't probably need to start with all that fancy stuff. | https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtistBattlestations/ Here is mine if you're curious, I use and adjustable laptop stand and the draw pad to give me an angled desk for paper, the laptop stand works well for my large wacom (second picture) too | 0 | 33,769 | 1.333333 | ||
rw9kme | artfundamentals_train | 0.91 | Where/on What Do You Draw? What's everyone's setup when just starting out? What do you recommend? Since the lessons are supposed to be done on regular printer paper, what surface is behind your paper? More paper? Table top? Slant desk? I want to get started, and I've come to realize that stressing out about this is a hang-up, and keeping me from diving in. Thanks, happy artistry! | hrcofk6 | hramznk | 1,641,389,867 | 1,641,347,068 | 5 | 3 | I work on my dinning room table or my desk. They both have textured surfaces tho so i always stack a few additional papera underneath the sheet I'm working on. I see people are saying that they have a clipboard or a wooden drawing tablet (something along those lines). Honestly you don't need any of that. A small stack of 10 pages will do. So then all you need is: A clear surface like a table A chair that's comfortable enough to spend and hour or two on it A stack of printer paper A fine liner A ruler ..... I think that's it In addition: I saw someone say that they lay on the floor with a clipboard in front of them. DO NOT work on draw a box while lying down. It's not good posture and will prevent you from using you full arm mobility as per the courses' instructions | A little stack of paper, and I got a clipboard to tape them to, so I can rotate easier | 1 | 42,799 | 1.666667 | ||
rw9kme | artfundamentals_train | 0.91 | Where/on What Do You Draw? What's everyone's setup when just starting out? What do you recommend? Since the lessons are supposed to be done on regular printer paper, what surface is behind your paper? More paper? Table top? Slant desk? I want to get started, and I've come to realize that stressing out about this is a hang-up, and keeping me from diving in. Thanks, happy artistry! | hrb6oh0 | hrcofk6 | 1,641,355,630 | 1,641,389,867 | 3 | 5 | I am learning how to draw and I am using very basic equipment (I smudge with Q-tips), I am going to treat myself with more equipment once I finished this book about fundamentals (as a reward) .. from my experience and the huge progress I am making .. I can say that you don't probably need to start with all that fancy stuff. | I work on my dinning room table or my desk. They both have textured surfaces tho so i always stack a few additional papera underneath the sheet I'm working on. I see people are saying that they have a clipboard or a wooden drawing tablet (something along those lines). Honestly you don't need any of that. A small stack of 10 pages will do. So then all you need is: A clear surface like a table A chair that's comfortable enough to spend and hour or two on it A stack of printer paper A fine liner A ruler ..... I think that's it In addition: I saw someone say that they lay on the floor with a clipboard in front of them. DO NOT work on draw a box while lying down. It's not good posture and will prevent you from using you full arm mobility as per the courses' instructions | 0 | 34,237 | 1.666667 | ||
snp7o7 | artfundamentals_train | 0.81 | Any tips on how to draw ellipses I cant draw ellipses every one i draw is uneven even though i am ghosting and drawing from my shoulder any tips | hw498d2 | hw4s01x | 1,644,346,610 | 1,644,353,517 | 2 | 6 | It sounds like you just got to keep at it till you get better. | No tips. Practice | 0 | 6,907 | 3 | ||
df164n | artfundamentals_train | 0.82 | What other resources would you recommend to study alongside DrawABox? While I enjoy DrawABox a lot, it definitely takes quite a bit of time to get anywhere. Which is good, actually, I understand that the fundamentals need to be hammered in properly! But I also want to start doodling something just for fun and I was wondering where I should look to brush up on some other techniques for that as well. | f30jlye | f30wom0 | 1,570,555,820 | 1,570,563,760 | 4 | 6 | My “fun” drawing is copying pictures from anatomy books, right now “Constructive Anatomy” by Bridgeman. I’ll also sometimes copy from Animation 1 by Preston Blair | For the human form, I recommend yoga videos. The poses are so strange and varied that you can get all sorts of angles and positions. For colour and tone, I suggest doing the texture exercises in tandem with Patti Mollica's *Colour Theory*. If you want to expand on DrawABox, you can take the 250 box challenge but vary it by turning the boxes into box-shaped items. A few examples include a jewellery box, coffee table, dog house, etc. The purpose is to take the boxes and make them relevant to the real world so it doesn't feel so repetitive. | 0 | 7,940 | 1.5 | ||
df164n | artfundamentals_train | 0.82 | What other resources would you recommend to study alongside DrawABox? While I enjoy DrawABox a lot, it definitely takes quite a bit of time to get anywhere. Which is good, actually, I understand that the fundamentals need to be hammered in properly! But I also want to start doodling something just for fun and I was wondering where I should look to brush up on some other techniques for that as well. | f30wcpp | f30wom0 | 1,570,563,583 | 1,570,563,760 | 4 | 6 | Proko: https://www.proko.com/library/ | For the human form, I recommend yoga videos. The poses are so strange and varied that you can get all sorts of angles and positions. For colour and tone, I suggest doing the texture exercises in tandem with Patti Mollica's *Colour Theory*. If you want to expand on DrawABox, you can take the 250 box challenge but vary it by turning the boxes into box-shaped items. A few examples include a jewellery box, coffee table, dog house, etc. The purpose is to take the boxes and make them relevant to the real world so it doesn't feel so repetitive. | 0 | 177 | 1.5 | ||
df164n | artfundamentals_train | 0.82 | What other resources would you recommend to study alongside DrawABox? While I enjoy DrawABox a lot, it definitely takes quite a bit of time to get anywhere. Which is good, actually, I understand that the fundamentals need to be hammered in properly! But I also want to start doodling something just for fun and I was wondering where I should look to brush up on some other techniques for that as well. | f30caam | f30wom0 | 1,570,551,226 | 1,570,563,760 | 3 | 6 | I'd recommend r/istebrak for guidance on all the other studies (anatomy, gesture, lighting, etc) look for her on youtube :\^) | For the human form, I recommend yoga videos. The poses are so strange and varied that you can get all sorts of angles and positions. For colour and tone, I suggest doing the texture exercises in tandem with Patti Mollica's *Colour Theory*. If you want to expand on DrawABox, you can take the 250 box challenge but vary it by turning the boxes into box-shaped items. A few examples include a jewellery box, coffee table, dog house, etc. The purpose is to take the boxes and make them relevant to the real world so it doesn't feel so repetitive. | 0 | 12,534 | 2 | ||
df164n | artfundamentals_train | 0.82 | What other resources would you recommend to study alongside DrawABox? While I enjoy DrawABox a lot, it definitely takes quite a bit of time to get anywhere. Which is good, actually, I understand that the fundamentals need to be hammered in properly! But I also want to start doodling something just for fun and I was wondering where I should look to brush up on some other techniques for that as well. | f30caam | f30jlye | 1,570,551,226 | 1,570,555,820 | 3 | 4 | I'd recommend r/istebrak for guidance on all the other studies (anatomy, gesture, lighting, etc) look for her on youtube :\^) | My “fun” drawing is copying pictures from anatomy books, right now “Constructive Anatomy” by Bridgeman. I’ll also sometimes copy from Animation 1 by Preston Blair | 0 | 4,594 | 1.333333 | ||
df164n | artfundamentals_train | 0.82 | What other resources would you recommend to study alongside DrawABox? While I enjoy DrawABox a lot, it definitely takes quite a bit of time to get anywhere. Which is good, actually, I understand that the fundamentals need to be hammered in properly! But I also want to start doodling something just for fun and I was wondering where I should look to brush up on some other techniques for that as well. | f30wcpp | f30caam | 1,570,563,583 | 1,570,551,226 | 4 | 3 | Proko: https://www.proko.com/library/ | I'd recommend r/istebrak for guidance on all the other studies (anatomy, gesture, lighting, etc) look for her on youtube :\^) | 1 | 12,357 | 1.333333 | ||
emf8lx | artfundamentals_train | 0.86 | I'm trying to learn how to draw a human character I want to use draw box to learn how to draw a human but I don't see any courses dedicated to it. drawing human characters is all I'm interested in is draw box for me? if Draw box isn't for me any recommendations? | fdpozyc | fdqo01v | 1,578,635,155 | 1,578,671,139 | 1 | 2 | Proko on youtube Is great and entertaining. Id do both honestly. Draw a box is about drills and muscle memory and training to confidence. Proko is about where to put those lines. That are now smooth and drawn with purpose thanks to draw a box. | Learn to draw before trying to learn to draw humans. Drawing humans is quite hard, and it will be 1000x harder without solid fundamentals. Thinks you need to be proficient at before learning to draw humans (in no particular order): * Observation: To see and to be able to draw what you see, exactly * Construction: Creating and drawing 3d forms in space in any orientation and being able to build complex objects out multiple simple forms * Proportion: Being able to estimate the relative scale between objects or parts of objects and reproduce it on your drawing, exactly * Gesture: Capturing the natural posing/motion/dynamism of living beings. The thing here is that no matter what you intend to draw everyone starts by pretty much the same basic skills. And drawabox gives you one of those basic things you need (construction). Drawabox is only the beginning (and a pretty good one at that), but you'll need to continue further studying other subjects after it. | 0 | 35,984 | 2 | ||
emf8lx | artfundamentals_train | 0.86 | I'm trying to learn how to draw a human character I want to use draw box to learn how to draw a human but I don't see any courses dedicated to it. drawing human characters is all I'm interested in is draw box for me? if Draw box isn't for me any recommendations? | fdpu8r4 | fdqo01v | 1,578,640,701 | 1,578,671,139 | 1 | 2 | The first two lessons of Drawabox are definitely for you. They focus on lines and simple shapes and forms, making things look 3-dimensional on the page, stuff like that. Good for anyone who wants to draw anything, pretty much. | Learn to draw before trying to learn to draw humans. Drawing humans is quite hard, and it will be 1000x harder without solid fundamentals. Thinks you need to be proficient at before learning to draw humans (in no particular order): * Observation: To see and to be able to draw what you see, exactly * Construction: Creating and drawing 3d forms in space in any orientation and being able to build complex objects out multiple simple forms * Proportion: Being able to estimate the relative scale between objects or parts of objects and reproduce it on your drawing, exactly * Gesture: Capturing the natural posing/motion/dynamism of living beings. The thing here is that no matter what you intend to draw everyone starts by pretty much the same basic skills. And drawabox gives you one of those basic things you need (construction). Drawabox is only the beginning (and a pretty good one at that), but you'll need to continue further studying other subjects after it. | 0 | 30,438 | 2 | ||
emf8lx | artfundamentals_train | 0.86 | I'm trying to learn how to draw a human character I want to use draw box to learn how to draw a human but I don't see any courses dedicated to it. drawing human characters is all I'm interested in is draw box for me? if Draw box isn't for me any recommendations? | fdq3fjx | fdqo01v | 1,578,652,964 | 1,578,671,139 | 1 | 2 | I actually recommend to do drawabox exercises for drawing people. Wherever youre gonna start the basics are so important. Character design is what im interested in the most as well but youll see many artists that do figure drawings/gestures and build a human body using boxes, cylinders and spheres. Perspective anatomy and proportions are also important. I recommend Glenn Vilppu's book for figure drawing lessons theres an ebook online. Proko as well on yt. Try not to get overwhelmed and be patient resulys will come with practice and understanding good luck☺️ | Learn to draw before trying to learn to draw humans. Drawing humans is quite hard, and it will be 1000x harder without solid fundamentals. Thinks you need to be proficient at before learning to draw humans (in no particular order): * Observation: To see and to be able to draw what you see, exactly * Construction: Creating and drawing 3d forms in space in any orientation and being able to build complex objects out multiple simple forms * Proportion: Being able to estimate the relative scale between objects or parts of objects and reproduce it on your drawing, exactly * Gesture: Capturing the natural posing/motion/dynamism of living beings. The thing here is that no matter what you intend to draw everyone starts by pretty much the same basic skills. And drawabox gives you one of those basic things you need (construction). Drawabox is only the beginning (and a pretty good one at that), but you'll need to continue further studying other subjects after it. | 0 | 18,175 | 2 | ||
ympovx | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | The Other 50% with draw a box Hello, I am a complete beginner and have started learning using draw a box. As the program instructs, I should use it 50% of the time while just practice drawing on the other 50% of my practice time, instead of focusing on courses and tutorials. However, having zero drawing skills, I find it extremely challenging to even start drawing "for fun' , as I need a tutorial for everything - figure drawing, portraits, observational drawing, views etc.. For example, I tried learning portrait drawing because I am into it but I think it misses the point of "drawing for fun" and getting general drawing practice because I spent 50% of my time on DAB and the remaining time for portrait tutorials. That made me think that it might be better to postpone portrait tutorials after finished DAB. my question is, what kinds of drawing fields have a pretty low barrier of entry (for the basics at least)? I want to learn the bare minimum of theory and just get "drawing reps" in and not get stuck in tutorial hell. Thank you! | iv4xw33 | iv5oweg | 1,667,642,429 | 1,667,659,212 | 1 | 16 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | Draw what you want to eventually be able to draw well, and use them as drawing skill milestones. Don’t worry if you think it sucks because the person you drew is literally a stick figure, the house is a triangle on top of a square, the clouds and trees look almost identical, and the dog is an unrecognizable mess. We’ve all started there; don’t compare your beginner attempts to people who have already invested tens, hundreds, or thousands of hours or more in drawing. You’ll see the progress as time goes by, and be able to compare your first attempts aka “I have no drawing skills” to wherever you are in your learning process. You’re guaranteed to see progress as long as you’re putting in the effort. So start drawing! Edit: You could always do the drawing prompts in /r/SketchDaily/ | 0 | 16,783 | 16 |
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